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Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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It's hard to study a foreign language (of course!).
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       する            
Roppongi has lots of fashion styles.
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If nature disappears, it's not something that'll easily return.
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There is no telling what will happen tomorrow.
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その    いつまでも              
That secret can't be kept forever.

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Aな-adjective
 
Aい-adjective
 
AVerb: Dictionary Form
 
AVerb: ない form
 
AVerb: Casual, past (た)
 
 
ものだ/ではない
Basic Examples:
ものです (of course it's dangerous)

ではない (it's obvious that it's not fast)

できるものです (I clearly can do it)

がないものです (obviously can't eat)

ったではない (it's clear they did not win)

Contractions used in conversation
もの can be replaced by もん or ものじゃない in casual conversation.
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ちゃん
Level: 977
(6 years ago)
マスターN2 states that it is not possible to use the た of verbs with this phrase when its meaning is something like "it's common sense that~" or "it's generally known that~".
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kibernavt
Level: 1
(6 years ago)
~V(past)た+ものだ・
というし。 1だけのことには使わない。

EXP.
1.は、になるとこのいだものです。
2.きていたころは、になるとまったものだ。
3.いときははやくコンサートにったものだが、かなくなった。(note. おりになったとき。)
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Really A; truly A
Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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It'll be really nice to have dinner together.
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It'll be truly great to take an onsen trip as a family.

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AVerb: Casual
 
Aい-adjective
 
Aな-adjective
 
 
もの/もん
Basic Examples:
しいもん (truly kind)

もの (really famous)

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Should A, it would be good to A
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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   宿       やる    
You should do your homework properly.
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If you catch a cold, you should rest soon (e.g. without waiting).

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AVerb: Casual
もの
Basic Examples:
ものだ ((you) should drink water)

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Should not A, must not A
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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        ばかり いる もん       
You shouldn't just play and not work.
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You mustn't given up easily on a dream.

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Construction
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AVerb: Casual
もの
ではない
Basic Examples:
ものじゃない (should not go)

べるものではない (must not eat)

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mysticfive
Level: 1595
in the title, ものだ and ものではない should be separated
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14 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 260
Weird that the slash wasn't showing up. Anyhow, fixed it!
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mireille
Level: 1
2e meaning: Noun + な + もの・もん (?)
な adjective + な + もの・もん

(?) = It's in my grammar book like that, but it's usually Noun + の + (grammar point), so I'm not sure if it's a typo or not.

Edit: a bit more info about the second meaning:
するときの
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マイコー
Level: 260
Sounds like a typo to me :). Fixed the な entry, though, and added the casual もん!
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Lang_learner
Level: 1
I don't see nouns in the construction of either the 1st of the 2nd grammar points. So does that mean you can't use もの with nouns??
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10 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 260
Hmm..I cannot find the noun usage in the references I usually use - I will check one more when I have access to it later today.
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