stuck kanji terms

[ダニエル]

looks like I've got a bunch of frozen terms again, at the very least there's a few in level 1 of my 漢字検定復習 schedule (赤 席 場 for example...but I'm pretty sure all of the level 1 ones are stuck).

Not sure what caused it this time but maybe it was the "check all characters with a given reading" bug - I think maybe the stuck ones were the ones that were knocked back to 1 star (though can't say for sure).

[ダニエル]

just an update on this...I tried a couple of things to see if I could unstick them myself - first, quizzed them manually (created a list) - they went up to two stars but still don't seem to be appearing in mastery schedule quizzes. I then reset them back to one star again in the hopes that that would force them to reschedule but it doesn't appear that worked either (although maybe they'll pop up in a quiz tomorrow?)

[ダニエル]

Nope, no luck, still not getting quizzed today either.

[マイケル]

a)can you flush out the remaning unstudied terms for the day (looks like you could take care of them in a few minutes) so I can see only the ones that aren't getting studied?

b)just to confirm, it's not that they're getting studied repeatedly, or popping up in the quizzes and not advancing - just that they're not appearing at all, correct?

[ダニエル]

Hrm, well, today they were quizzed for the first time in probably over a month...I guess you did something?

They're at level 2 now so conceivably I should see them in a quiz again in a few days...

For the time they weren't being quizzed, they weren't even showing up as ready to study...just sitting there at level 1. Not showing up in quizzes at all.

[マイケル]

Nope, didn't do anything

[ダニエル]

weird...well...I'll keep an eye on it...strangely coincidental that they would suddenly be quizzed on the day you respond to this thread

[ダニエル]

ok, I think these are still stuck, or at least there's something wrong with the scheduling.

It's been 4 days since they were last quizzed, which means they should have come up today (since they're level 2), right?

I'm wondering if, since these were reset to level 1 as a side effect of that bug in the "check all characters with x reading", the scheduling still thinks they're a much higher level than they are? so the one time they were quizzed a few days ago may have been the time they would normally have been quizzed if they had not been reset to level 1...

To be clear, the terms in question are all of the level 2 terms in my 漢検複数 schedule.

[安努龍]

Sorry to chime in on a thread totally unrelated to me, but damn, ダニエル, you really do have trouble with those stuck terms!  I hope they un-stick sometime soon and stay that way...

[マイケル]

Will look at this later today (after work).

I can say, though, that 4 days is not too long for level 2 terms.

[ダニエル]

OK, well it seems as though a couple were quizzed normally today. So maybe it's ok now, hard to say.

I guess then the 4 days separation between quizzing is a minimum then? As I've only seen 3 out of the 8 or 9 terms so far. I guess I don't fully understand how the scheduling works.

And thanks, 安努龍 - this is actually the first time it's come up in quite some time though, and it's not really that big of a deal - it's just hard to understand exactly what's going on!

[マイケル]

4 is normal. It's somewhat complex, but there's a base amount between levels. There's then 3 things that can adjust (lengthen or decrease) that base amount:

1. How often you've gotten that question correct/wrong in the past. Example:
You started studying ここ, and you've gotten it up to level 3 without ever getting it wrong.
You started studying そこ, and you had a lot of trouble (missed it several times) before bumping it up to level 3.

In this case, the site presumes that you know ここ more than そこ (even though they're at the same level), and it'll take longer before it's quizzed again.

2. When the other vectors for that term are to be quizzed.
Let's say you're studying 住む and you've got kana->def, kanji->def, and def->kana. If you answer a question about kana->def correctly, it'll schedule when you study it next, right? However, it tries to make some allowance (to a certain upwards limit) to keep that question away from when the other two vectors will be studied. In other words, the site wants to minimize short-term memory interference. I'd prefer you to study this way
Q--Q--Q---------  (where Q are question days, dashes are no questions)
then this
---QQ-Q--------

3. There is a small randomizer that is used to help spread out future terms. As you get higher and higher, this helps lower those giant 'lumps' of study terms that cover only a couple days (and push them out across several more).

[ダニエル]

thanks for the explanation, that probably explains what I'm seeing now...though who knows what caused them to get stuck for so long in the first place.