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ハシュミナ
Level: 1337

Btw, with this being implemented, is it possible to have a kanji filter in the Advanced Search for Vocab section? Something like "contains known kanji only" under the Me filter.

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2 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346

Probably not at the beginning, but later on, sure.


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2 years ago
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Sant268
Level: 571

I'd love both B and C, I was talking about this yesterday on the discord server! Was having trouble recalling kanjis for vocab

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2 years ago
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ajqe・アンナ
Level: 206

I think I would use A and B. The current system already works quite well for me, but I don’t study onyomi/kunyomi because I found it too overwhelming to remember the readings without having vocab linked to it. So having only the onyomi/kunyomi readings in vocab to study would be very useful. B would also be awesome and I would like to use it, especially if there is a filter available so that it only adds new kanji that are of a particular N level so we can balance learning rare and common kanji.

Also, are you thinking for these combined schedules that when you study them, the kanji and vocab questions will be intermixed or separate? Personally I would prefer them separate so that I don’t need to switch my input method too many times.

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2 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346

I think I would use A and B. The current system already works quite well for me, but I don’t study onyomi/kunyomi because I found it too overwhelming to remember the readings without having vocab linked to it. So having only the onyomi/kunyomi readings in vocab to study would be very useful. B would also be awesome and I would like to use it, especially if there is a filter available so that it only adds new kanji that are of a particular N level so we can balance learning rare and common kanji.

Also, are you thinking for these combined schedules that when you study them, the kanji and vocab questions will be intermixed or separate? Personally I would prefer them separate so that I don’t need to switch my input method too many times.

The schedule types will be exactly the same as now - the new ones will just be special versions that have a different way of handling what goes into them.

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2 years ago
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Mitty-KP
Level: 5

I would use A or C, although most likely A. I find the current system works very well for me so A sounds like just basic improvements that would not change up how I'm currently learning. I'm learning Kanji mainly though a separate app so the separation of Kanji and vocab is very useful/comfortable for me.

I really like the change of not studying Kanji readings that you haven't yet encountered, I find currently when faced with readings I don't know it's really hard for me to memorize them and feels very useless until I actually encounter a word that does, before that it feels like trial and error, so again the change would be very very welcome.

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2 years ago
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アルミダル
Level: 1170

All of them sound great and useful to me. Im basically already doing the C but manually while A would make learning readings a lot less overwhelming and more intuitive. When it comes to criteria for C, Im usually using japandict to find most common used words with that kanji. I honestly do not know where the data is coming. I would pretty much appreciate filter like this even though sometimes the words are quite out there.

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2 years ago
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Gibolt
Level: 1159

Along with these options, it would make sense to have suggested choices based on the person's learning level. B probably makes sense for most people, including new users.


Someone reaching a new JLPT level may benefit from a suggestion to consider switching, or adjust their options.

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2 years ago
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geopenny
Level: 284
A. "Classic" mode (mostly same as current)

In this mode, kanji and vocabulary schedules proceed separately. This is the same as above.

However, you'll also be able to select "vocab readings only" for your kanji filter. With this system, renshuu will not recommend any readings, no matter how common they are. In other words, if you start a kanji schedule and you have not studied any words with those kanji in them, onyomi/kunyomi questions will be unavailable for those kanji.
Instead, any vocabulary you learn will add their kanji readings into your kanji data, so you *only* learn readings in vocabulary you study. Of course, any readings you manually mark as known will also appear.

B. Vocab -> Kanji mode

In this new mode, a kanji schedule will be attached to one or more vocabulary schedules. You cannot add lists to it yourself, but you can add individual kanji via the + button (like usual).Instead, all kanji that appears in words will automatically get added to your kanji schedule.

So if you studied the word for the first time, it would add those two kanji into your kanji schedule. The readings that you'd study would be determined by the kanji reading filter mentioned above.

C. Kanji -> Vocab mode

In this new mode, you can make a helper vocab schedule that is attached to your kanji schedule. Consider the kanji schedule as your "main" schedule.
As you learn kanji, a certain number of vocabulary will be added to your vocab schedule automatically. The vocab added will be determined by a number of settings, including (but not limited to)

1. JLPT Level

2. # of words per reading

So for example, your settings may say "add up to 3 words for each reading (again, limited by kanji reading filter), drawn from all JLPT words", or it may say "add 5 most common jlpt words that use this kanji"
(I am particularly interested in what other conditions you'd like to attach to this system)

For me A and C are the most useful. A because that's basically what I'm already doing, with the ability to keep the number of new readings to a manageable level (especially helpful for newbies). C because once you're past the N5 Kanji and they all start looking very similar, being able to draw on relevant vocab is a useful memory aide and makes it more 'real.' B is less helpful because a lot of early vocab draws on N3+ level Kanji, much of which isn't needed/useful when just getting started (e.g. it only appears in that one early word), but might be good for people further along in their studies or living in Japan (a lot of official words need higher-level Kanji).

The ability to manually add/select Kanji/vocab/readings is excellent, so if we encounter something interesting that's outside the JLPT system (or we need it before JLPT thinks we do) we can add it in. As for vocab that is usually kana-only, especially if it or its Kanji are not JLPT-graded, it would be nice to have the option to add in that Kanji/reading for completeness' sake.

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2 years ago
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antimonysarah
Level: 955

I’m looking forward to using A with the new vocabulary reading filter. I’m currently doing this manually—there’s a bunch of kanji for which I only know one word so far. When I started out I’d add words for the other common meanings but I ended up with way too many words so I switched to disabling the readings instead. I don’t need another source of new vocabulary—already have a ton scheduled, so I wouldn’t use C.

A quick way to find kanji I know a lot of vocabulary for would be nice but I’d probably manually add them to a schedule rather than automatically.


And this suggestion might seem unrelated but also fits with how I’ve been manually managing this stuff: a filter like the “all known” but for “in one of my schedules, including unlearned” would be helpful, even if the new feature takes away one use case.

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2 years ago
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As someone who struggles to remember readings, especially onyomi, option C would be amazing. Option A wouldn't really suit my learning style, and it seems kind of limiting.

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2 years ago
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Plotinus
Level: 263

Any way that is integrating Kanji with the rest of Japanese language is always welcome!

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2 years ago
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The Kanji to vocabulary mode interests me. I had been making up some vocab schedules that were kind of like this anyway. In particular, the kunyomi readings are references to specific words, so I feel like I might as well learn these words at the same time that I'm learning the kanji.

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2 years ago
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Shamugan
Level: 870

For the third mode, would it be possible to have something else than the JLPT as an alternative? Like from a community list?

Or even better since the tag system is coming up, to select some tag based on our interest that will filter that appear.

Personally, I don't use the JLPT list at all anymore. So, if it's the only option, I would probably not use it.

JLPTアンチより



うそ、バンしないでください

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2 years ago
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Level: 152

I like the “C” option myself. I wonder if it would be possible to be able to self select the vocab for each kanji with more common vocab being recommended or sorted to the top or labeled as such in some way. So for example when you learn a kanji, a list similar to the example vocab list that shows up now would come up and you could select which vocab you’d like to add. So some kanji might have only one or two selected vocab but others might have a dozen. I think this would also be helpful because different people have different words that might be helpful for them, depending on their unique circumstances. Although I know nothing about coding or app making so it’s possible this might be a huge headache to implement, or might complicate the user interface too much or something.

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2 years ago
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Really i think they're all great options to have and it'd be tough to choose just 1.. I, as many others have stated, have pretty much reached my goals with kanji studies using the old method.. so i will most likely prefer to continue with option A in that regard.. But i also certainly wouldn't mind receiving vocab lessons for kanji i already know (like option C).. however, i was actually thinking about this the other day. If i were to start over again, i would have liked to do it with something like option B.. i think learners and new people to the platform would have an easier time with the kanji roadmap so to speak...

In all honesty, as i write this out. If new users were to start out with an option B schedule as the default(auto kanji schedule creation as vocab grows), and a "classic mode" toggle in the settings with an optional schedule setting to populate by related kanji.. i think that sounds ideal imo..

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2 years ago
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YakuzaEmir
Level: 21

"all kanji that appears in words will automatically get added to your kanji schedule."

Sounds great, but would it be possible to set a threshold limit? As in, only add the kanji to the schedule if it appears more than X times in the vocabulary you have seen? This way, we get a list of kanji that are "commonly used", tailored to our own vocab schedule.

Hope that made sense!

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2 years ago
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ナイリイ
Level: 209

The B option seems great!

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2 years ago
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Capybarafan42
Level: 608

Option C is basically the way i already like to learn ! ty so much

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2 years ago
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ゼルダちゃん
Level: 243

I think the new options would be nice, but they wouldn’t be very helpful for me in particular, except maybe option B. When I learn a new word I usually just check to see if i have its kanji(s) scheduled yet, and if not, I add them, so option B wouldn’t change that much for me anyway. I’d really like this feature to be added if it helps many different learners, though, because that just makes renshuu even more customizable!

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