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ば~ほど
1. The more A, C
    しゃべれば しゃべる ほど    なる  
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mireille
Level: 1
Na-adjective + なら (ば) + Na-adjective + な + ほど
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14 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 260
Added‾!
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fareastfurfaro
Level: 1
なら or であれば + である + ほど is also a valid construction.
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マイコー
Level: 260
Where does the なら fit in?
NならNであるほど?
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fareastfurfaro
Level: 1
Yeah, like that.
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Tanooki
Level: 13
I agree with fareastfurafaro about 'であればあるほど’ being another valid construction for 'na' adjectives with this structure. In the Intermediate Japanese textbook, it shows that as the main way to use this grammar with 'na' adjectives. Would it be worth adding it to the construction examples? Here is the exact example it gives: はかんたん[b][u]であればあるほど[/u][/b]いい。 [color=green](Simpler explanations are better)[/color] It doesn't even put anything in front of the second 'ある' in the sentence.
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darkje
Level: 1
Verb: ~ば(Conditional)A+ばVerb: Dictionary Form +ほど+Result should be : Verb: ~ば(Conditional)A+Verb: Dictionary Form +ほど+Result Since you will have a double ば otherwise.
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11 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 260
Thanks for catching the typo!
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ali_chan
Level: 1
[font=verdana]Isn't である also a possible construction for na-adjectives? As in: Na-adjective+であれば+na-adjective+であるほど[/font]
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shirokitsune
Level: 1023

The verb explination formating is off so it is really hard to understand.

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6 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 260

Fixed, thanks!

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6 years ago
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Karlla
Level: 892
There's something that keeps puzzling me about this construction.
ば~ほど in combination with verbs mostly implies
- frequency of performing a certain action => "the more (often) one does..." or
- time spent on that action => "the more (years) one studies..."
But those verbs are always on their own and nothing is mentioned about the quality of that action. What happens if I want to attach an adverb to the verb? How would I express things like "the faster s.o. runs", "the harder s.o. studies", "the higher the sun rises" etc. with focus on the attributive aspect of the action?
Thanks
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5 years ago
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gdartfow
Level: 1484
You can absolutely use this grammar with adverbs to further describe the manner of the action.
I would translate the ones you mentioned as:
ればるほど。。。 - The faster one runs...
もっとすればするほど。。。 - The harder one studies...
くなればなるほど。。。 - The higher the sun rises...
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