掲示板 Forums - Kanji quiz asks for unknown readings

Hello!

I’m not sure whether this is because I checked an option somewhere and didn’t notice, or an actual bug, but my kanji quizzes are now also quizzing me on readings that are greyed out/marked as unknown on the kanji page… has anyone had the same problem?

Take care! :)

Hello! Of course, here's one example:

Here I am getting quizzed on which kanji corresponds to ソウ:

Having selected the kanji, the answer screen shows the reading ソウ in bold, as if it were a "known" meaning.

But upon clicking on the kanji, that reading shows in grey, as the unknown reading it is!

As far as I know, this has been happening for both N5 and N4 kanjis. I have the "Mix in terms for review" setting turned up to the max. I'll try turning it off and reporting on the issue.

Thank you so much for looking into it!

Best,

Nina

Sorry for the delay! I can see now what is happening.

The way that renshuu handles kanji readings (or more specifically, the display of kanji readings) is not ideal, and really needs to be overhauled. It's such a large change, though, that I haven't been able to get around to it and really look at the best way to approach it.

Basically, there are two conflicting sets of data. Let's take 早 as an example. When looking at the readings, there are two things worth showing:

1. Which readings you have studied

2. Which readings you are expected to know. For a level. Usually, those are the readings with the 小/中 markers next to them (ones learned at the primary/middle school level).

When you are first shown the kanji in the quiz system, you are given #2. With some materials, however, such as the JLPT Kanji lists, there are specific readings keyed in that you should know. In this case, this takes precedence in #2

When you are inside a set of materials (like a schedule), you will see #2. When you are looking at the dictionary, though, you see #1.

Now, given the screenshots you sent me, I cannot time them all exactly, so I cannot quite say where the issue in where そう was shown as grey in the dictionary even though you had just studied it in the quiz.

So this is a bit of a mess, and I'm still thinking about the best way to approach it. I don't expect a quick fix, as it's something that reaches deep enough into renshuu that it really needs to be thought out before any changes are made.

As to your second issue, my guess is that the following is happening: Let's say you have a kanji, and the readings for it are A, B, and C (these are ones you are expected to know).

1. Introduced for first time, A, B, and C are shown in introduction panel.

2. In quiz, you are quizzed on one of those - B (for example).

3. In resulting quiz panel, it shows A, B, and C as known, since those are in your "need to know" category, even though you've only actually been quizzed on B.

Does this sound like it could account for what you're seeing?

(Even if it is, it should not be this complicated, and so I'm not suggesting that you should hear this and accept the situation - just trying to figure out if there is an actual bug in here in addition to the way the system is set up.)

From my experience with "mix in terms for review" it can bring in stuff from outside your schedule (as indicated on the control), and from what I've seen, it seems to even brings in terms you've studied before, but that are no longer in a schedule. So, if you studied it before, and have "mixed in terms for review" on, I think those unwanted terms might come back to haunt you.

I am sorry in the delay in dealing with this issue - it sounds to me that the recommended readings are getting "unset" at some point, at which point it says "hey, let's go ahead and introduce the rest of those school-level readings". So it does sound like your analysis is correct.

I will let you know again when I have more info about this!

So, I finally have enough time that I am trying to knock this out. I have not yet been able to replicate it, but let me ask you a few other questions.

For 早, or any other kanji that has had this issue, are they ever being studied anywhere else? For example, you have other kanji schedules that they are part of, or another kanji schedule that has "mix in terms for review in", and the kanji might get pulled in that way.

Or you study lessons directly through Resources > Lesson Center, and those contain the affected kanji?