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jankii
Level: 16
I think this would be useful: mastery level for lesson (something like the sum of mastery levels of all terms in the lesson divided by the number of terms).

It would show you if you really mastered a lesson or not. I'm not really sure how percentage of correct questions is calculated (for display in the bar under the lesson name) but I don't think it's the same?

Having 100% on a lesson where all the terms have a mastery level of 1-2 doesn't really mean you shouldn't study that lesson any more, I think this way you would be able to tell how much time to spend on certain lessons.
On that note... another idea :-[ when reviewing a lesson it would be nice to be able to choose not only "previously missed term" but also "only terms with mastery level below X".
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マイコー
Level: 302
Those are interesting ideas, and I'd love to see what more people think about them (in particular, the listing of 'mastery levels' instead of % correct underneath lessons).

Just off the top of my head, though, there's a number of problems I can think of that need addressing. First off, it'd be much more expensive (in terms of how much time it would take to generate the data each time) if it had to get an average mastery rating for all the terms in each lesson that was requested. A *lot* more expensive. This isn't something that the users can help with, but I wouldn't want to do anything that would dramatically slow down the speed at which a user can peruse lessons.

The other major (only?) issue would be the display.
1)While the site does use stars almost exclusively for mastery ratings (the only exception I can think of are the ratings for the external resources), stars (when paired with a list of things) tends to give a meaning of 'popularity'. So if we were to switch from the colored bars to stars, it might appear as if the lessons are getting rated . This could be fixed (although it would, at the same time, introduce complexity by having two ways of displaying mastery levels) by sticking with the color bar.
2) (this applies to both the color bar and the mastery levels). The bars are currently there to provide two key functions: (1) show personal progress on a set of materials, and (2) give encouragement to the user. The first one makes sense; the second one more so in that if a user glances at a set of lessons, they can easily see which ones they've done well on, and it helps them to move on (at least, I believe it does).

Let's presume that we switch over to mastery levels. A full set of stars (or full color bar) on even a lesson with a single term takes over a year. The first 4-5 levels can be gotten within a month, but the last half of the stars take much more time. What this means is that if a user studies a few lessons intensively over the course of a few weeks, then might still only get their bar/stars up 30/40%. While most people realize studying is something that is ultimately done over a long-term period, I fear that it would be detrimental if it takes that much time to (visually) appear to have made progress. I hope that makes sense.

Of course, this is all complete conjecture, so I'd like to hear what other people think about it. I *do* believe that mastery levels are a much more valid indicator of progress than '% correct', so if there's a way to effectively implement it that wouldn't be a)confusing and b)demorializing, I'd definitely be interested.
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Keiki
Level: 1
I agree with Jankii that having the lessons showing how they are right now with percentages for each isn't particularly useful, but マイケル's reasons for not changing them are very good, and at the minute I don't have any helpful or useful suggestions to make. As usual.

The reason I commented, though, is to say, "Jankii, make a [b]mastery-based schedule[/b]!" Put a bunch of lessons in one schedule and give it a try for a week or something. Your Achievements thing say you've never used one, and you totally should. The time-based schedules seem to have similar confusing percentage-based qualities to the normal lessons, but mastery-based schedules are amazing. Having one will solve a lot of the things you are unhappy with. It took me forever to finally make one (even though it's so easy), and now that I finally set it up, never go near the regular lessons. There are useful charts and things. You will like it ^^
(I'm both a beta and a pro user, but I'm pretty sure the awesome things are available even to people who are neither of those things. So do it. Do it now ;D )
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jankii
Level: 16
[quote author=Togii link=topic=1067.msg6206#msg6206 date=1291354231]
The reason I commented, though, is to say, "Jankii, make a [b]mastery-based schedule[/b]!" Put a bunch of lessons in one schedule and give it a try for a week or something.
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Wow I totally missed that there was a mastery-based schedule, I've tried time based but that's not for me so I gave it up and forgot there was the other type... :-[ I'll give it a try.

The reason I thought of lesson mastery levels is that I like to make my own lesson with stuff we did in class and use them when preparing for exam, sometimes that stuff overlaps with what I already learned so a mastery level would be a nice indicator of how much time I need to spend on certain lessons.

As for "how much time it would take to generate the data each time" would once a day calculating like for achievements and genki points make it less demanding?

Don't know about the demoralizing part I guess to some I could be :-\
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マイコー
Level: 302
Mastery schedules help with the overlapping bit as well; you can add as much as you want to a schedule, and it blends all the resources together, so overlapping is a non-issue.

I won't go into why (it's a bit boring), but it would not be possible to do once-a-day calculations of the level (averages).
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mysticfive
Level: 2034
[quote author=jankii link=topic=1067.msg6187#msg6187 date=1291302866]
when reviewing a lesson it would be nice to be able to choose not only "previously missed term" but also "only terms with mastery level below X".
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i really like this idea; it would be great if you had a schedule where maybe you added some new material and want to focus on it, or got something wrong a while back and want to make sure you've got the hang of it!
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Keiki
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[quote author=mysticfive link=topic=1067.msg6288#msg6288 date=1291788989]
[quote author=jankii link=topic=1067.msg6187#msg6187 date=1291302866]
when reviewing a lesson it would be nice to be able to choose not only "previously missed term" but also "only terms with mastery level below X".
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i really like this idea; it would be great if you had a schedule where maybe you added some new material and want to focus on it, or got something wrong a while back and want to make sure you've got the hang of it!
[/quote]I guess if we're gonna do that, it might as well be, "only terms with a mastery level [b]of[/b] x"... people keep wanting to use the sliding "select which level of terms to study first" bar as a tool to study only terms at a certain level (which doesn't work), so maybe this could be worked to appease them, as well, haha.
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