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I was wondering how to pronounce something like:

える

It has no audio sample. I keep wondering if all 3 お sounds that appear in a row are drawn out together in one long sound, or if there is some break between one お sound and another.



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I'll put the romaji and kana here:

(えいご) eigo

を wo

える (おしえる) oshieru

The "o" and "wo" may sound similar, but i got audio samples that they are slightly different.

Treat each kana pronunciation with the same duration (one beat of a rhythm i.e. mora). There is a long vowel of "ei" えい which is read as if it is "ええ"

From what i see and heard in japanese drama, there is a slight dip in sound in-between to make them distinct from each "o" and "wo" and "o". Speaking quickly sometimes make them seem to join together.

In practice, there is pitch accent difference. Eigo's "go" ends in high pitch, "wo" follows high pitch, "o" in oshieru starts in low pitch due to heiwa pitch.

So, in listening, the "wo" sounding slightly different, helps to break the sentence part. The low-pitch second "o" also helps to make the part distinct.

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Thank you, but my question is if the 3 o sounds are blended together into one very long o sound, or if there are any stops in between.

e-i-go-(w)o-o-shi-e-ru

I didn't mention mora since I was just talking about the o sounds of the mora. So that might have been confusing.

So would it be like gooo, goo-o, go-oo? I've only encountered vowel sounds being drawn out over 2 mora (like with the ee sound of えい), never 3. So I'm wondering.

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Thank you, but my question is if the 3 o sounds are blended to gether into one very long o sound, or if there are stops inbetween any.

e-i-go-o-o-shi-e-ru

I didn't mention mora since the first mora is go, and I was just talking about the o sounds of the mora. So that might have been confusing.

So would it be like gooo, goo-o, go-oo, etc? I've only encountered vowel sounds being drawn out over 2 mora (like with the ee sound of えい), never 3. So I'm wondering

Pardon me, i misread just now, and have updated my answer.

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Thank you very much

I hope at some point there will be an audio sample for it so that I can hear the pitch change and sound difference (with the を). I have a difficult time when I can't hear it.

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I think the issue here, is that english speakers divide sentence parts by the stops and the stresses in pronunciation.

Japanese, according to Kaname Naito sensei, listens for the mora-time to differentiate.

Here's a clip from Kaname Sensei:

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Thank you again! I did find the audio sample for a sentence using the phrase. It seems shorter than 3 o. More like 2. So maybe it's just not held as long. I didn't hear a pitch change either. But I think that's as close as I'm going to get, lol! I just thought it would be kinda weird to hold that o sound for 3 mora! No, no break, but does seem shorter than 3.

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I did find the audio sample for a sentence using the phrase. It seems shorter than 3 o. More like 2.

I think in normal speech, with native speeds, it kinda sticks together. The pronunciation is more of "go-wo-o". So if you count 2 mora, that is "wo-o", the "go" is 1 mora. The quick part may be the seemingly shortened "wo" when they speak "go-wo".

And depending on sentence structure, the sentence pitch doesn't follow strictly with the dictionary pitch accent than when the terms are standalone.

There's a tofugu podcast on it, and they have an article section on sentence pitch transition: https://www.tofugu.com/japanes...

At the section "pitch-and-speaking-japanese"

edit: fix link

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I tested google text-to-speech in japanese with "えてください", and the "go-wo" part seems faster and the low pitch "o" of "oshiete kudasai" also is distinct. That is standard (tokyo dialect) pitch from (ai-assisted) TTS synthesizer.

But if you slow down the TTS audio and follow the along the beat by clapping along, the mora-time per kana rhythm is consistent.

I couldn't find a real human audio easily, except from my memories of old animes. Will you kindly link an online resource you found?

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It was just the audio example on a sentence from the renshuu dictionary. I just scrolled through the sentence examples until I saw one with audio. It was on the second page of sentences. Last on the second page.


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OK, thanks. I found the two sentences with audio.


The male voice with "o-shi-e-ma-su", the pitch of "o" did not seem to drop. Seemingly, as the sentence low pitch drop-rise was done at "ei-go", and it continues at high pitch till ending the sentence. This follows the sentence pitch dynamics.

えます

The female voice's sentence pitch at the term follows the same sentence pitch pattern without the drop at "o". However, the "wo" pronunciation is more distinct here.

えてもらっている

In both cases, the mora seems consistent. Perhaps you may try reducing the playback speed via browser plugin or javascript to 0.25 and try following along with their individual beat of their speech rhythm.

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It was just the audio example on a sentence from the renshuu dictionary. I just scrolled through the sentence examples until I saw one with audio. It was on the second page of sentences. Last on the second page.

FYI, one of the options (shown when pressing the cogwheel) is to prioritize sentences with audio, making such a search easier:

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Thank you both! I will try out those tips

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