掲示板 Forums - Bugs/Discussion for "Kanji Reading Filter"

Sooo I turned on the setting and made a new kanji schedule into which I added all my kanji and turned on kunyomi.

So the first one I got wrong was this やしろ. I didn't recognize it and it didn't ring a bell. I kind of wish I could have reviewed it before the quiz started kind of like when you're adding new kanji, but the kanji itself I'm familiar with. So I checked the related vocab and see that I do in fact have やしろ added somewhere in my numerous vocab schedules. But at a glance I can't tell how well I know that particular word and now I want to know because I don't remember やしろ at all.

So the first thing I did was to pop open the dictionary tab since it's easy to open and close while still staying on the quiz screen, but the dictionary doesn't have mastery %s included.

So I had to open the Japanese Index to discover that I had briefly run across やしろ at some point in time, but never not anywhere near enough for it to have made it's mark. Would it be possible to add an option to only add readings that have made it to say, mastery level 4 or 5?

Setting: Kanji readings to include in your quizzes (renshuu recommended)

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Summary: I decided to reset all my kanji for the new system because I wasn't happy with my current kanji progress. Now everything is "none at this level" because I selected 'no extra readings'. I've tried studying some kanji then some words and nothing changed. I was then told to report here as well, hence this message. I wasn't sure if I just wasn't understanding things correctly and messed around with too much. I haven't tried everything so if you want me to try some methods I can try them out.

hello マイコー

Thanks for making my request a feature!!!

Sadly I did already find a bug in the 'no extra readings' setting.

I have yet studied a word with 触 and the ショク reading. But it did come up in the quiz.

in my "kaishi 1.5k" schedule (and kanji in general, especially ones i learned recently), kanji readings arent marked as known even if i know a word corresponding to said kanji

example: even though i know 春 as a word it looks like this
even if i study said word, or mark said kanji as known, it still doesnt get fixed unless i do it manually

i will have this off until then this happens with other schedules too

Another issue with 'no extra readings'

This kanji radical doesn't even have any vocab at all, still it quized me on it.

I may be out of touch on this, but honestly I feel like hiding readings on the study cards would cause MORE complaints, because I imagine users with relatively little vocab will be unlocking new readings from words on a frequent basis that have never been shown to them in the context of a kanji quiz before. I can see new users asking a lot of "Why didn't Renshuu tell me this reading before" and "Why are new readings are popping up out of nowhere" and "How do I know how many readings I have left to learn" if that information is always out of sight, where the old way of listing everything upfront and just deemphasizing what isn't currently being studied makes it much easier to understand at a glance what readings are available and eliminates surprises when new readings come up in vocabulary later.

I definitely want the option to always have all readings available in the card regardless of level or if they're being studied, if you think a checkbox is a good way to implement it. It could maybe also just be a "show all" button on the card itself, so the list of readings is truncated by default but the user still has access to the rest and can customize which readings are studied without changing their kanji settings.

There's a big gap between different levels of users, both in terms of their comfort with Japanese as well as their comfort with renshuu as a learning tool. It's a running joke inside of my head that just about every feature on renshuu has been called both the best and worst thing someone has ever seen (even within similar cohorts - say someone that is brand new, or someone who notes in a Google Play review that they have ADHD).

With regards to this particular issue, I get both "I love how much information is made available to me", and (sometimes within minutes of the previous comment) "there is a ridiculous amount of information on the page". Picking up kanji initially is still a *huge step* for just about all learners, and the agony over seeing so many readings attached to a single character causes stress to some, and most likely makes others give up. I know that learning Japanese is very doable, and I want to help convince as many people as possible that they can do it.

Of course, there are also a significant number of users, both new and old (in terms of learning) that want to see it all.

Although all app reviews are public, a lot of this information has been gathered from discussions with thousands of users over the years.

Knowing that 100% is impossible, I am still trying to help as many people be happy with their learning on renshuu as possible. We don't force people into permanent subscriptions, so I try my best to appeal to the concerns of newer users so renshuu can continue to be financially stable.

Now, back to the specifics here. I think I see a clean way to improve this. Before I spend time writing it out, here's what I'm thinking:

1. Add the checkbox I mentioned before, just under the kanji filter setting

2. Enhance the popup so that it allows the following things:

A. Marking those readings as known, right in the box. (Although I'm not sure I'll have it redo the visual and move that reading out)

B. Allow the user to change setting (#1) right inside that box. Something like "Don't hide these readings"

I think this would allow newer learners a way to get their feet wet with kanji, not feel (as overwhelmed), but let people who want more have a smooth path to getting the rest of the info.

I like the new pop-up! It feels cleaner and not like I'm being prevented from choosing what to learn anymore.

The checkbox is a good idea too, for catching both styles of learners.

Ok, I see what's happening:

It's working as it should (but maybe that's not ideal).

You have studied 春 (the word), but you've never studied any kanji questions on it (since you've never studied the kanji, nor marked it as known). I didn't check, but probably either kana > meaning or meaning > kana. In other words, you haven't "learned" that reading in the word yet, as you haven't had any questions to check (right or wrong) your knowledge of that kanji in the word.

On top of that, a user (like you), may have the settings set up so that it shows the hiragana only for unknown kanji so they might not even see 春 in the word box. It wouldn't make sense to add that reading to their kanji (I think), and I'm not sure it's a great idea to do so in your situation, either.

But that create a bit of a chicken/egg situation:

1. You study 春 (the word), but you haven't learned the kanji yet, so the reading doesn't get added

2. You study 春 (the kanji), but you don't have any readings yet (you can only study the meaning, stroke, etc.)

3. However, studying the kanji once would make the kanji appear in the word, so the next time you study はる the word, the reading would pop into the kanji quiz.

This makes sense to me, but I can see how others feel like it's too roundabout. But if it needs to be more direct, then what would the specific condition that studying 春/はる would add the reading to your kanji knowledge?

1. When you study a vocab vector with kanji in it (this is current behavior)

2. When you study the vocab in any way, and the kanji is VISIBLE (is that enough for a user to "know" it?)

3. When you study the vocab in any way, and the kanji is visible or not

"So while I may write up a script that older accounts can use as a one off action, I'd end up removing a lot of legitimate user data if I did it blindly."

I personally wouldn't mind a complete reset on readings data. I barely did any readings quizes anyway as I was waiting for this new feature. But I can understand that others might not like that, making it hard to fix. At the very least, it's nice that new accounts can enjoy improved readings settings.