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DeputySon
Level: 233

Is it possible to achieve the level of understanding japanese where you can look at the text and understand the symbols instantly without the need to slowly read the whole thing first, like if you read in your mother language? For me it works with most european and slavic languages, I can recognize the symbols instantly, but japanese has completely different writing system and is harder for brain to process, so I wonder how long it will take to adapt. I'm not trying to rush, just asking

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TansuiNingyo
Level: 484

For me it's nowhere near the understanding I have with my mother tongue or English yet, but depending on the writing style of the book I've at least reached a level where I can read with a measure of fluency where I maybe don't understand every word but the gist of it. I would compare it with the level when I first started reading English books.

mostly for me it is the way that I recognize kanji I know instinctively without having to look at every detail. For me it's harder to understand the grammar in very complex sentences where you have layer upon layer of hiragana verb endings and the like.

To get to this point it took for me about a year of regular reading (starting at a point where I had comprehensive grammar knowledge and about n4 kanji knowledge), starting with books intended for language learners and moving on to regular novels while in parallel continuing to study more advanced kanji.

I still lack the kanji knowledge to read newspaper articles which include very complex kanji on politics, science, etc... but in novels with more day to day vocabulary I can get by pretty well, although of course not at the speed of English, but then I haven't studied Japanese as many years as I did English yet.

For me the key was definitely just starting to read, it helps memorize a lot of kanjis and also gets you more familiar with sentences structure and grammar.

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The question of whether it’s possible for adult learners (in this context, anyone older than about ten) to obtain the level of literacy enjoyed by those who learned to read as children is not an obvious one. I believe the answer is yes, but it seems to be quite rare.

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You can try reading Japanese online. Like in sites daily (japanese)news is available. You can also use apps which let you read manga in Japanese (though the language is not much used by natives). Reading everyday will be effective.

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Shamugan
Level: 550

Recognizing character and words is a different ability from the ability to read a sentence.
It's like focusing on one detail vs watching without a focus.
And ironically, you don't "read" a sentence, you're kinda predicting the words in a sentence.
One of the way to understand that in english is to read those kind of annoying sentences that most people will understand:

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht
the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe."

And even after that, there is another level which is the sentence structure, meaning after a certain word, like a subject, you know that there will be another type of word. Or that after "read", there will be probably "book" or "sentences". And even after that, there is also the level of group of words. Your brain will try to do all of that work even if you don't try. It makes a lot of different types of shortcuts, some are generic for a lot of people (or languages) and some other are specific to what you like and see/hear often.


So how to read faster? Just read, read and read again and again. In you mother tongue and european languages, you have a whole different level of experience with that and those shortcuts are already well-made. And you can also probably use some of them in similar languages. But for japanese, it's a whole different system of writing like you said. So, it will take more time time to create a lot of different kind of shortcut. And btw, I don't know if you watch japanese video but even japanese sometime struggle with reading sentences (it's one of the weakness of the language like french, my mother tongue, which has too much exceptions in grammar and makes all people and natives alike crying every time :v)

In renshuu, you should try to include more sentences in your schedules if you want to work more on that. And also deactivate the furigana for known words in sentences (there is an option for that I didn't know of and I should have deactivate it a long time ago x) ). And think of that as a different exercise from the words schedule. Don't spend too much time on each words or even groups of words since it's not the same ability.

Anyway, all is left to say, is って! è_é

Edit: fix a mistake

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TansuiNingyo
Level: 484

Also I would recommend reading books rather than manga. At least in my personal experience I struggled more with manga because most of the text you get is spoken language, usually with eclipses and slang, while in books you have loads of parts that are complete sentences and not direct speech, which helped me in the beginning when I couldn't dream to predict an ellipse's omitted part.

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Level: 644

Also I would recommend reading books rather than manga. At least in my personal experience I struggled more with manga because most of the text you get is spoken language, usually with eclipses and slang, while in books you have loads of parts that are complete sentences and not direct speech, which helped me in the beginning when I couldn't dream to predict an ellipse's omitted part.


To add onto this, lots of action-oriented manga use odd sounds to emphasize actions and moods, which can be super confusing. The same goes for animes where the characters use a lot of everyday slang that you don't learn in the JLPT.


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Sugo_i
Level: 108

I agree with others, the best way to get faster and feel more natural with reading is to read! My personal recommendation for anyone who’s gotten a good foundation (around N4 level maybe?) is the app Satori Reader. Designed for learners, interesting stories and you can click on every word to get a quick definition, see the translation for each sentence, and it is also voice acted! You can try a month for free too. It has definitely improved my reading speed and helped me expand my vocabulary.

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