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ハシュミナ
Level: 1186

On the risk of being the only one who needs something like this, let me still describe what I would like as a feature. I'm sorry for the long text, I just wanted to make clear what I'm trying to do.

I learn with textbooks and often they have a writing section where you practice writing out the kanji in actual sentences (e.g. they give you a sentence with blank and you fill out the blanks with the vocab, using as many kanji as you know).

Now practicing kanji writing in isolation is already very helpful for me, especially for the kanji that are standalone vocab as well. I use it a lot! However, when it comes to more more complex/abstract kanji, I might recall the kanji to the kanji definition, but I might not now in which vocab the kanji appears.
e.g.

I know the first kanji means something like "pass" as in passage of time, and the second one something like "experiment". I don't have an issue practicing these with the kanji writing vector. However, when I'm asked by my textbook to write the word "experience けいけん" with kanji, I'm suddenly struggling "uh, which けい kanji was it again? , , ?" Sometimes you can work with the kanji meanings, but there are also many kanji with kind of abstract meanings where you ask yourself how did they end up in this word? (probably some linguist could explain but can't research that for every word).

So that's why I find it helpful to add vocab to a schedule and practice writing out the vocab term as a whole (also helps with remembering the okurigana I find).

But when I use the writing vector, I can only choose from: 1) Show character and stroke order, 2) Show character only, 3) Show character, then disappear. Which I find helpful when I first write the word a few times. But at the end, I want to be able to write the word by myself without help. I tried closing my eyes until the trace disappeared and then writing out the word. Which works, but not well.

Comparing the kanji writing vector, there I have the option for these 3) plus 4) Only hints. That's great! That would be it! Don't show the trace, just the hint!

But vocab writing vector doesn't have this option. I was wondering why, since the kanji vector has 4 different options for character hints, why does the vocab vector only have 3? They're kinda built the same.

So what I do is, I don't use the writing vector. I use the kana -> kanji vector. Theoretically I could also use the meaning -> kanji vector, but that worked less well for me. I check "Type if possible" and then set my phone keyboard to handwriting recognition. The issue with this is: 1) google handwriting input doesn't care about stroke order and is very lenient if I make mistakes. 2) since there are many homonyms I have to guess to get a hint. 3) Don't have the neat box with the stroke by stroke assessment and the grid. 4) Can't do it on PC, since the writing input popup spoilers you and shows suggestions, 5) Can't collect XP on writing quests

I'm aware this is probably a unique problem and others may just use the writing vector differently, maybe I'm just weird for trying to make it work like this. Also I understand this is superrrrr low priority when there are more important things standing out. I'm very sorry to keep requesting things that probably no one else wants.

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1 year ago
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マイコー
Level: 328

One of the ideals/goals behind renshuu is that you don't have to study the way everyone else does - with a little work and configuring, it's my hope to let everyone study exactly the way they want to.

I can definitely see the merit of this approach, without a doubt. My main concerns are the following:

1. First, will need to split up hints based on where or not there is kanji there (this might also require an additional setting, which complicates things)

Say the answer is けいけん - hint would be definition?

- hint would be definition only, or def + kana? Setting needed?

けい (they only know one kanji) - would have to be definition only

I can see some potential frustration coming up here because the hint style would potentially change from term to term.

2. My larger concern is the difficulty is that depending on the hint type/content, you could possibly have a much larger pool of potential answers, and frustration could stem from not getting good feedback on which word the quiz is looking for.

I'm not looking up the actual meanings here, just coming up with a possibly fake but realistic example.

hint: to make

is it つくる? る? ?

Unlike fill-in-the-blank, the writing pad cannot simultaneously check for and grade on multiple characters, so you're both trying to figure out which word it is, as well as which form of that word it is. What if you it's , but you haven't marked the second kanji as known, but you actually can write it? It would still reject it.

The writing pad can only do one thing (but do that one thing very well) - grade the writing of a single, expected character.


In the end, I cannot yet say how much of a problem this will all be if and when it's developed, but they are the main concerns that pop into my head.

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1 year ago
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ハシュミナ
Level: 1186

Thank you so much for taking the time to read my post!!

I still have trouble imagining why that's necessary. Basically I just need a mode that's exactly like 3. Setting (Show character, then disappear) except it disappears immediately not after 3 seconds. The hint and the grading as it is in that mode can be exactly the same.

like instead of 3 seconds make it 0.00001 seconds for me (hypothetically speaking).

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1 year ago
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ハシュミナ
Level: 1186

This is how Setting Show character, then disappear looks like. What I want, is leave step 1 out, and only show step 2-4 (optionally also leave step 2 out). So if I'm thinking about this correctly, there's not anything to be "added" or "changed" necessary to achieve it, it's all there already.

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1 year ago
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