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emanresU
Level: 367

I always get tripped up by these words with similar(-ish) meanings and pronunciations:

割る/わる

割れる/われる

分ける/わける

別れる/わかれる

Does anyone have tips/mnemonics/etc. for remembering the distinction between them?

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1 year ago
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Level: 15

A way to separate them could be how they are used

Like

る seems to be saying divide like just by itself or a definition of itself

れる kinda feels like how shattering glass sounds, like it feels sharp so might be used in a more extreme form shattering??
ける has ke sound which reminds me /わけまえ, like cutting things neatly to share

れる I think may be separating clothes, state A separated from state B, they separated from the head family.. something like that maybe?


I don't know if its right or makes sense but thats what the difference seems like to me.


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1 year ago
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I just remember them as: break, broken, divide and break-up. The kanjis are different to indicate the contexts {other than the first two, which form a transitive-intransitive pair). You can review the example sentences for each of them in the Renshuu dictionary and add those sentences for quizzing, till you get the hang of them. Good luck!

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1 year ago
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バカ
Level: 206

I'm not sure if this will help you with remembering necessarily but it might help with keeping track of the meanings :)

First, we must establish that all these verbs belong to an interconnected semantic field dealing with division/separation. Their core meaning can be traced back all the way to proto-Japanese. I will spare you the details and cut right to the chase here by showing the semantic layers through both their usage patterns and kanji meanings:



る/れる (waru/wareru) -

  • Physical: Most concrete meaning - physical breaking, splitting, cracking
  • Kanji composition: (harm or injury) + (blade)
  • Used for: Breaking glass, splitting wood, cracking eggs (but also abstract as for division of numbers, percentages ()

ける/かる (wakeru/wakaru) -

  • Physical: Division of physical objects, sorting items (you can imagine this like a cake being cut in equal slices; non violent connotation; sharing)
  • Kanji composition: (eight or separate) + (blade)
  • Used for: Distributing items, sectioning spaces

Abstract uses are mostly:

  • wakeru: Categorization, classification, distinction
  • wakaru: Understanding (cognitive separation/distinction; Complexity is broken down in your mind to make sense)

-Now things get interesting-

れる/る (wakareru/wakaru) -

  • Physical: Physical separation of previously connected things (a connection was in place before)
  • Kanji composition: (knife) + (mouth) - historically showing splitting/distinction and the mouth part adds a sense of humanity and between human bonds to it
  • Used for: Physical parting of ways, connections

Important:

  • Strongest social/emotional implications
  • Parting from people (おれ)
  • Divorce (れる) (or getting dumped by someonekao_dejected.png)
  • Emotional weight reflected in terms like

In short:

  • : Stays mostly in physical domain
  • : Bridges physical and abstract (especially cognitive) domains
  • : Strongest in social/emotional domain

The Kanji reflect this:

  • : Focus on physical cutting/division
  • : Emphasis on branching/distinction
  • : Emphasis on separation/distinctness

You may be able to use a mnemonic that builds on the Kanji. I personally see る/わる and れる/われる very rarely.

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1 year ago
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