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タイ
Level: 34
Can anyone explain to me how to use こと. I see it at the end of sentences, but I can't understand how it fits in. Can anyone offer some help?
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mysticfive
Level: 1968
strictly speaking, こと means 'thing,' and refers more to more abstract concepts rather than tangible things. However, grammatically there are a *lot* of ways to use こと, so unless you give some more context I can't tell you how it's being used. I'd check out the grammar pages though, that might help!
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タイ
Level: 34
Like I remember one way my teacher used it was like

Shinsetsu na hito ni koto ga naritai.

Why is it there D;
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Jhyn
Level: 1
I'll add my word to that, even though I can't give you any great grammar insight, since I happened to be irritated in listening comprehension by all those こと, ん, ている and such, that more than often do not have a clear justification. I felt that people kept talking though their sentence was finished and just tried to distract me from catching the one syllable that gives its sense to the verb. I don't know if anyone can relate. それは わかていないことなんですよね、if you see what I mean.

I wouldn't mind about こと right now (when it's not apparently necessary like in your sentence) since it doesn't impair comprehension, and little by little you'll just end up imitating the way japanese people talk. I consider it like another example of how there are the sentences that make sense, and then there are the sentences people would actually use, and the lots of awfully difficult to explain subtelties between them.

This said, I am definitely not a fluent speaker, so maybe somebody has a clear and complete understanding of こと and such that I'd love to hear. えて さい?
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lilisin
Level: 1
こと means "intangible thing" (compared to もの which means "tangible thing/object") and is often used as a nominalizer: meaning that you are turning non-nouns into noun forms/clauses.

Verbs: む --> むこと
i-adj: きい --> きいこと
na-adj: きれい --> きれいなこと

むことはやさしいです。Reading Japanese is easy. (The "thing" of reading Japanese is easy.)
SFをむことがきです。I like reading science fiction. (I like the "thing" of reading SF.)
そのがきれいなことはです。That city is famous for being pretty. (That city's pretty-"ness" is famous.)

In this usage, こと is interchangeable with の although こと expresses a more general thought while の is based off a personal observation.
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mysticfive
Level: 1968
タイ- the sentence you gave as an example unfortunately makes absolutely no sense to me :P にことがなりたい... Are you sure that's the sentence?
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fareastfurfaro
Level: 1
Yeah, I'd ask the teacher one more time what they said. Being the teacher, they may be able to answer the question better than us as well, hah.
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タイ
Level: 34
Well, I was going off of memory for that sentence. I took japanese 202 last semester. I forgot a lot of of the grammatical stuff I learn since my teach had a habit of not drilling us on it. I need to find my textbook to find the chapter where koto in introduced (I've been home since may, but most of my stuff is still packed away >_<).

lilisin, I somewhat understand you explanation, thanks you :)

Jhyn, I agree with you when you say sometimes the sentences run on with a bunch of extra stuff. My girlfriend speaks like that sometimes, not to mention she uses slang also. I get so confused >_<
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lilisin
Level: 1
Somewhat? What don't you understand? Maybe I can explain further.
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タイ
Level: 34
I read your post a few times, then attempted to put it into practice while practicing with my girlfriend. I understand it's use more. I have a better understanding of both koto and mono. Thank you :)
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