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マイコー
Level: 301
Grammar progression is deceptive. Given your average textbook (or JLPT level), you may study 600-1000 words, a hundred kanji, and 20 grammar "expressions". Unlike the first two, grammar expressions are a way to describe a much broader concept that can be used in different ways, in various tenses/politeness levels/etc.

So, with renshuu's grammar packs (Japanese Basics, Beginner Japanese, Pre-Intermediate Japanese, and Intermediate Japanese (coming in Fall of 2025), you have a pair of schedules that are meant to be studied in tandem. That is, For any given lesson (as an example, "Finished/Not yet" in Beginner/N5), you have only 2-3 expressions, but 29 vocabulary terms)

It is expected (and mentioned when you first start a vocab/grammar pack) that you study ALL the new terms in a vocab lesson before moving onto the grammar. This is because the vocabulary lessons will contain every word that you will see in the grammar quiz questions. If you are getting hung up on words you don't know, it makes it difficult to focus on the new grammar.

So, what should I watch out for?

By default, renshuu limits how many new terms you can learn in a day or week (of course, you can customize this). Depending on your settings, it may take several days to clear out all the new terms in a lesson, especially if you have a decent set of terms to review.

So you're looking at your dashboard, and your vocabulary schedule is maxed out on new terms for the week. The grammar feels "so short" because it's (at the beginning) just a few terms, maybe 10-12 in the entire schedule. So you think "I'll just advance to the next level, pick up some more grammar."

Since you still have new words to learn, that means you are advancing into new grammar questions that are going to see, leading to confusion and disappointment. You may even go through several grammar lessons, still feel like it's not that much (20-25 grammar expressions), and you now have 200-300 unlearned words that are appearing in your grammar quizzes, making it harder and harder to progress.


What should you do?
It may go against what you feel like, but *slowing down* on the grammar progression will let you absorb is much better, feel more confident about your Japanese, and not want to give up. Grammar takes time to sink in.

If you have more time that you want to put towards studying, consider bumping up the new term limits for your vocabulary, and/or start/continue your kanji studies. You can never have enough of those two!


Although we hope to add more in the future, renshuu has just under 1,000 grammar expressions available. That's through very advanced levels. At the same time, most people will learn 12-20k (or more) words. So, very roughly averaged out, you might think of aiming for 10-15 new words for every grammar expression you learn. You cannot really plan learning in that way, it's just a way to visualize how "little" grammar there really is, and how much you can slow down on it and still make significant progress.
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えりーい。
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Maybye its ment tk be like that?

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TBGM
Level: 256

I just started the Beginner/JLPT N5 Grammar lessons and it feels like the sentence quizzes are a lot harder than the Japanese Basics quizzes.

I'm on the first lesson ("Frequency Words") and it goes over frequency adverbs working with action verbs. But a lot of the quiz questions are not dealing with frequency adverb + action verbs, and quite a few use grammar that's not covered or barely covered in the lesson or the previous Japanese Basics lessons.

  • frequency adverbs working with nouns, adjectives, and existence verbs
  • casual, present negative verbs (ない)
  • use of といます
  • use of ので
  • use of two は (e.g. はあまりサッカーはしない)
  • use of の (e.g. たくさんのおしくない)

I know う and ので are part of the lesson's vocab but they have their own grammar that has not been taught yet. I think I should be approaching the N5 grammar lesson pack differently from the Japanese Basics lessons, but am not sure how to go about it.

I go at a very slow rate of one grammar lesson per week.

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Level: 301

If you ever see grammar that hasn't yet been introduce, tap the ? Button and send in a wood report. I look over every single one, and adjust sentences where needed. I definitely want to knock out the issues you mentioned. :)

If it wasn't in a previous lesson, it shouldn't be in there. I try to cover all those when building the question sets, but I do miss some, do I appreciate the reports!

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If you ever see grammar that hasn't yet been introduce, tap the ? Button and send in a wood report. I look over every single one, and adjust sentences where needed. I definitely want to knock out the issues you mentioned. :)

If it wasn't in a previous lesson, it shouldn't be in there. I try to cover all those when building the question sets, but I do miss some, do I appreciate the reports!


Thanks, will do! thanks.png

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TBGM
Level: 256

Just to clarify, if something is not covered during a grammar lesson, but it does show up in the final slides of the lesson (i.e. the part after you click "Continue to Quiz"), I should report quiz questions about those as too difficult? This is assuming I'm following the renshuu schedule.

For example, in the N5 Frequency Words lesson, the only pattern that is taught is "positive/negative frequency word + positive/negative verb". But the part after clicking "Continue to Quiz" shows how to use frequency adverbs with ない-form verb (form not taught yet), adjectives (not covered during lesson), and nouns (not covered during lesson) - see image below. I'm safe to ignore quiz questions about those for now?

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The grammar library (those are those usage patterns you copied in) will, as most dictionaries/references to, tend to use casual/dictionary forms when available. However, if the casual forms have not been taught in the renshuu lesson, then I would say they should not be appearing.

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TBGM
Level: 256

The grammar library (those are those usage patterns you copied in) will, as most dictionaries/references to, tend to use casual/dictionary forms when available. However, if the casual forms have not been taught in the renshuu lesson, then I would say they should not be appearing.

Sounds good, thanks for clarification.

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yourmikka
Level: 57

What does it mean to "study ALL the new terms in a vocab lesson before moving onto the grammar"?

I thought that the terms in the next grammar lesson would be shown in the vocab schedule. However, if I disable the daily new term limit on vocab, it shows all the terms in the schedule for learning (e.g. hundreds). Should I be doing all the vocab in a schedule before starting the associated grammar?

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Level: 301

Yes. Depending on your situation, this may cause a bit of a slowdown for the moment, but roughly, each new lesson brings 1-3 new grammar elements, and anywhere from 25-50 new words (which is not too different than your traditional language textbook).

Due to the low number of grammar elements, it can feel a bit like you are "lagging" because not much grammar progress is being made, but that is natural. If one was to study grammar at the same pace as vocabulary, one would finish ALL the grammar in renshuu in less than a year (which usually takes many, many years of studying). There's "only" about 1,000 grammar elements in all.

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yourmikka
Level: 57

Thank you! I think the issue was that I hit schedule all on the "Words for Beginner Japanese" group. With only one list added at a time it showed the expected 25-50 new vocab terms for the first lesson.

Is this the correct way to use these schedules, adding one list at a time? I'm getting a message in my inbox now recommending me to add the "Words for Pre-Intermediate" schedule even though I've only finished the first list on Beginner, so I'm not sure.

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Level: 301

If you want to keep the two schedules aligned, they'll have to not be where you added them yourself (selecting the lists and adding them), but adding the vocab/grammar schedule as a pack from the Manage your Schedules page. It sounds like you either made the schedules yourself (which works for all materials except for these linked schedules), or had the schedules premade, but perhaps added more materials on top of that?

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