掲示板 Forums - Vocab rescheduled after learning new kanji

It seems to me that disable option for reset mastery of associated vocab when learning kanji doesn't affect anything. My steps:

1. Learn all scheduled vocab and kanji with option to first learn them than new;
2. Learn new kanji and complete the quiz;
3. Notice that on vocab's schedule appeared some words to review;
4. When I clicked on that number it show that associated vocab for that learned kanji reappered on scheldure.
   

It happend several times for different days and do not depend on the option what to learn first.

My guess is that this is what's happening.
With うらみ, you were previously studying it with hiragana and meaning only. Got those levels up. Then, when you learned the kanji, renshuu says "ok, they know the kanji, let's start studying the kanji-specific vectors for the word". As you had not yet studied those, they come up immediately.

The "Japanese > Meaning" and "Meaning > Japanese" vectors would also exhibit this behavior.

Thanks! That confirms what I thought. Because of the new kanji, both that top one (Kanji > Kana) is becoming active, and the "Japanese" for the other two switched from kana to kanji. So, both the mastery appears to drop to 0 (because it is no longer considering the kana vectors), and it jumped up for review (since the kanji vectors were unstudied up until now.)

Sorry for the delay. Yes, once you learn kanji for the first time, you will need to study words that have that kanji in them a bit before the reviews for those terms start to slow down.

There is no actual loss in mastery level.

I've written about this for, but I'm not sure where, so I'll give a quick recap.

On most word schedules, these vectors are turned on

Kanji > Kana

Japanese > Meaning

Meaning > Japanese

"Japanese" basically means "kana if they don't know kanji, kanji if they do". So internally, it is actually two vectors: Japanese > Meaning would be Kana > Meaning and Kanji > Meaning, but only one of them is turned on at time.

So take a word: 食べる/たべる. Assume you do not yet know the kanji, so you will have two vectors active:

Japanese > Meaning (but actually, Kana >Meaning)

Meaning > Japanese (Meaning > Kana).

Kanji > Kana is not "on", as you do not have any kanji. This makes sense, because if it was included in your average from the beginning you'd never get a term to level 9 (100%) because even if your kana>meaning and meaning>kana are maxed out, kanji>kana would be at zero.

So, you reach this state:

Kana > Meaning: level 9 (100%)

Meaning > Kana: level 9 (100%)

(Vectors not active/included in average: Kanji > Meaning, Kanji > Kana, Kanji > Meaning)

Now, suddenly you learn the 食 kanji. Based on the default settings, it will now deactivate kana > meaning and meaning > kana, as you will no longer be quizzed on them. Instead, it looks like this;

Kanji > Kana: level 1

Kanji > Meaning: level 1

Meaning > Kanji: level 1

(Not active: Kana > Meaning and Meaning > Kana)

Therefore, your active average is 0. Those two level 9s did not get deleted, they are just not shown since you are no longer studying them.

Specifically, that is referring to the study vectors. If you tap "Settings" for a schedule, you'll see "currently studying" on the top, and you can adjust the vectors in there.