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hi , im a brand new learner on this app i already speak both french and english, and it is been a long time since i asked myself : is there any way to know the order of the strokes for kanji even the first time that you see it ? Thanks.
Yes. Outside of certain well-documented exceptions, you can predict the stroke order by following the general principles.
If I remember correctly, you start with the top left then work your way down. Then you do the top right, then work your way down. Best way to learn is to look up any new kanji you come across and practice writing it in the correct stroke order. Through numerous repetition, you’ll get the hang of it and can apply to new kanji you come across.
Yes, after 100 or 200 kanji, I never studied properly the kanji stroke order again.
Also, I said studied but it's more like I wrote the basic kanji as well as the 81 most common radicals. And after that, it was not like I "predicted" the correct order but more like I remembered it. Kanji are just combination of basic parts and once you're used to those parts, you don't think about them anymore (for like 95%~ of them). Also, I talked about the radical but you don't need to study the radical if you don't want to. The part that I'm taking also don't correspond always to the radical and it's not really the part that you can found on the renshuu dictionary either. But just by practicing a few hundred kanji, your brain will automatically pick up those part and the associated pattern with each of them. Except if you want to learn more, just doing that is enough. Otherwise, you will need to spend some time "correcting" those principles (because for each principle, there are a few exception). Honnestly, I think it's faster to just write the first few hundred kanjis without thinking than trying to be conscious of the few exceptions. But up to you.
similar to the hiragana or katakana stroke order, you start on top left then make your way until the end. of course the stroke order is important, but so far as i'm concerned, once you write it and can be understood, the order doesnt matter at all.
@ポールおじちゃん, What are these "well-documented" exceptions ? I can only find 左右, 心必, 田. I'm just curious, if you can help ^^
Those are the main ones. Also 成, and any character with one of those components. There may be others that I’m forgetting.
It's been a while since I've looked it up, but I have made simplified notes for it some time ago. I don't know if that's the entirety of it, but it is summed up as thus, kind of like a mathematical order of operations:
The order you do things is from the top, left to right. So, if you're dealing with radicals/kanji in different zones, you write each in that same position.
For the actual strokes - Dots/dashes have priority and the first thing you draw, if they exist at the top.
After the dot/dash, you prioritize horizontal lines over vertical. Draw horizontal left to right, vertical up to down.
The next after all those you have the diagonal lines. Since the order so far is left-right, up-down, that hasn't changed here. The first diagonal is the left to right, up to down stroke (\). Therefore, secondary to this is the right-left, but still up-down (/). Good, so far?
The next one is one of the last ones. Again, you may also have dots/dashes at the bottom, so these go next.
Lastly (I think), to close it all off figuratively, you complete the enclosure line. Think 口. The last stroke in that case is the horizontal line inside the box.
That should take care a lot of the repetitious and nested patterns using that order.
The next after all those you have the diagonal lines. Since the order so far is left-right, up-down, that hasn't changed here. The first diagonal is the left to right, up to down stroke (\). Therefore, secondary to this is the right-left, but still up-down (/). Good, so far?
i think you mixed up the diagonal order...
@ポールおじちゃん thanks!