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Bienchen🐝
Level: 103

In Japanese you can use formal and informal grammatical forms, but how do describe them in Japanese.
If I wanted to say I’m using formal speech ( while describing using -ます ) or informal speech, what words do I use for formal and informal.

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6 days ago
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The word for "informal speech" is タメ口. There might be a more technical term for it, but that's what I hear people say. It's practically an umbrella term, that can also be used as an interjection.

敬語 = "formal speech". You will hear people use it to describe the way someone speaks.

~ます is called ます (けい).


Edit: Let me know if you'd like more information about grammar terms. For example く is a 動詞 in ジショ (辞書形). 活用 is used when talking about conjugation/inflection. いて would be テ形, etc.

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6 days ago
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Shamugan
Level: 764

ます, テ, etc are concepts only used by foreigners or researchers, not by japanese natives =p (it's part of the not the that japanese learn at school).

敬語 is the most common way to talk about polite speech. When you when you talk about ます, です, you could be more technical by saying 丁寧語 (or other sub categories) but personally, I don't use them with most natives since they don't use them too. 敬語 and タメ口 were enough most of the time. Also, except for a few natives, I was never able to have more complex discussions since most natives forget what they learned at school so...

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6 days ago
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myuu3
Level: 75

to me an easy way to remember at a high level is that japanese has 3 different types of this. in english and in some other language, there's formal vs informal. but in japanese, you have

teneigo, think about as like in the sense of are you being like extra (or not) polite to them as a person themselves (polite is different than respect)

sonkeigo, think about as in the sense of is the person higher rank, like are they ur boss or a teacher, you elevate them when they are the subject of a sentence. not just boss or something but a group/class of people "higher"

kenjougo, think about like a way to make urself more humble based upon your own action, so you move yourself down, when a subject of a sentence. and not just yourself but group/class that is lower

you can mix teneigo easily with the others, you can show different levels of politeness to someone that is higher level or to someone to whom you are lowering urself, or to a neutral person in your group/class/rank. u can mix sonkeigo and kenjougo as well, if u have different perspectives in the sentence.

u can think of sonkeigo and kenjougo are "one type" of thing if u want, so there are 2 different systems, one for politeness/formality and one for hierarchy/rank.

in english we usually just are "polite" or "neutral" or "rude" without these different ways of expressing it. i guess we express in english like "I humbly request that" type thing, but that's just "polite" in general.

i thought about writing a sentence with all three but im not very good at using them, i just look for things like gozaimasu for teneigo, forms like irasshaimashita for sonkeigo, forms like moshiage for kenjougo. there are templates for how to conjugate verbs into different levels of keigo, but then there are also irregular verbs and then there are special adverbs and other things u can sprinkle into sentences as well. u can also see really formal/archaic stuff in classical literature or in anime or manga about those perioeds or in comedy that does it for a joke.

if u are going to work in japanese company, there are books and resources online just about keigo so u learn phrases like ごしております and thing like that.

1 more thing, if u read old stuffs which i want to read when i get better, you have older type words that arent really keigo but are jidaigeki type speech like from samurai and things u probably see in some anime, copula like instead of using です so you say verb stem + にて or verb stem + いたし

にて。I am a samurai.

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