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柳 ぱぶ郎
Level: 209

Hello,

Today when reviewing the kanji 鞄 I saw some inconsistencies;

the quizz (and indeed the kanji entry) listed なめしがわ as a kun reading; but to my knowledge that kanji only has かばん as kun reading.

Also, なめしがわ is the radical 韋, which doesn't appear in 鞄 (which has かわへん, 革).

So, it seems an error on the 鞄 entry.

Also, the list of kanji when searching for なめしがわ is :

韓靼鞣韋韜韌韍韎韐韑韔韗韘韙韝韞韠韛韡韤

It includes 靼​ and 鞣​ that are actually かわへん, that is because they have it as a reading; however 鞄​, despite having (wrongly, I think) the reading, doesn't appear in the list; but while it has the reading in the details :

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it doesn't have it on the list of words :

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Thanks

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1 month ago
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Anonymous123
Level: 1686

Jitenon and some other sites list なめしがわ as a kun reading (although some sites do not include it)

https://jitenon.com/kanji/%E9%...


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1 month ago
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鞄 does indeed mean tanned leather なめしがわ. The word かばん is a late innovation that seems to reflect the influence of European languages.

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1 month ago
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柳 ぱぶ郎
Level: 209

Mmh, indeed Kanjipedia (the offical site for the kanken test) list it : 鞄, listed as a 準1級 kanji:

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Indeed the kanji has that meaning originally; kotobank says : 中国では、「鞄」の字はなめし皮、また、それを作る職人のこと。

So, a "kanji meaning" rather than a "reading" (but, historically, the word 訓読み mean "kanji meaning" I think) ; or maybe a "kanbun reading" ?

It doesn't seem to be a real "reading" on modern Japanese however, my IMEs don't have it, kotobank says it is the meaning "in China", and Japanese wiktionary doesn't have it as reading either : 鞄

And Kanjipedia, despite listing it as a kun reading, doesn't show a word using that kanji and that reading; here are the results of words "containing" the kanji, and the reading:

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1 month ago
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マイコー
Level: 346

renshuu uses the data from jitenon, which is why this is appearing here.

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1 month ago
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