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1. Wants to A
              明日         つもり  
My younger brother wants to ride a horse, so we are going to go to a farm tomorrow.
2. Shows signs of state/condition A
                   今日     まで          
She's always wanted to ride in Daddy (your)'s car. She asked for you to take her to kindergarten today.
3. Don't be A (afraid, shy, etc.)
                    して ください  
Don't be so shy and please give a great speech.
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Shiruz
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Thank you very much! now i understood! :D
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About the second usage, by referring verbs which represent a state/condition (like れる、する、る, etc.), isn't it still possible to use it with verb? For instance, saying 'りたがっている' doesn't always mean '(seems) want to angry' but means 'seems angry' instead. Then how about れたがる, does it always means 'seems want to get tired'? I believe it's roughly depend on context, though. So how do you think?
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マイコー
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@mysticfive thoughts on this nuance?

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mysticfive
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About the second usage, by referring verbs which represent a state/condition (like れる、する、る, etc.), isn't it still possible to use it with verb? For instance, saying 'りたがっている' doesn't always mean '(seems) want to angry' but means 'seems angry' instead. Then how about れたがる, does it always means 'seems want to get tired'? I believe it's roughly depend on context, though. So how do you think?

I've never heard this grammar pattern used in this way; usually, if you want to say someone seems angry/tired etc, you hear things like っているらしい、れているようです、しているみたい。Not to say the above *can't* be used, just that if it can, it's probably a rarer usage... But especially since the ~たい form is in there for verbs, it would seem to lead one to believe that the condition is desired, like you said - one wants to become angry, one wants to be tired...

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I guess you're right. Another one, are these count as the second usage (or the third?) too? がり is sensitive to heat がり is sensitive to cold がり is coward when「(や)」attached, it'd mean the 'type of the person that (sensitive to...)'; it doesn't seems work with all adjective, though. And for がる, does it always means "pretend to be tough" (negative nuance) and not "seems strong" (does not contain negative nuance)?
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mysticfive
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I would say the ~がり is most similar to usage 2, but I'm not sure if I'd put them together in the same thing.

with がる, it's not something that I've personally heard too often, but I would say that it would more have the pretending connotation - if you wanted to say someone seems strong, I'd go more with そう

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