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This topic is tied to the below grammar expression in the grammar library.
Causative Passive
1. Be made to do A
給 食 の 時 、 生 徒 は 先 生 に 野 菜 を 全 部 食 べ さ せ ら れ ま し た 。 
During school lunch, the students were forced by the teacher to eat all of the vegetables.
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gaokyouryuu
Level: 1
According to the Genki II book, all u-verbs except the ones that end in su are more commonly conjugated as asareru instead of aserareru.
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マイコー
Level: 292
Yea, I've been meaning to add the abbreviated forms. I'm a bit busy, but I'll make sure this gets done in the next few days. Thanks!
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mireille
Level: 1
You might want to make the construction much more easier:

るverbs (-る) + させられる
うverbs (-う) + あせられる
する → させられる
来る→ こさせられる

or:

る verbs: nai form (-nai) + させられる
う verbs: nai form (-nai) + せられる

For u-verbs, this is commonly shorten to ‾される:
(Precisely what gaokyouryuu said.)

買わ(ない) -> される -> 買わされる
書か(ない) -> される -> 書かされる
*** 消さ(ない) -> せられる -> 消させられる
待た(ない) -> される -> 待たされる
運ば(ない) -> される -> 運ばされる
読ま(ない) -> される -> 読まされる
入ら(ない) -> される -> 入らされる

*** 消さない -> される -> 消さされる (incorrect)
The short form is not possible for verbs ending with す
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マイコー
Level: 292
To be honest, all the 'conjugation' pages need to be rewritten so they're more like this:
http://www.renshuu.org/index.php?page=grammar/individual&id=478

There's just not enough time, as I'm spending most of my time on the site's redesign. I'll go ahead and take of this one, but let me know (send me a private message) if you're interested in helping with the other pages.
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Kaji
Level: 1
I understand the causative and passive forms when I hear them, but I don't feel confident enough in their corresponding particle usage to use them heavily in my own speech (or at least, not in circumstances where I need to use particles, anyway). Could we add such an explanation to this page?
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できるだけ
Level: 28
Kaji, I added a short usage note on particles - does that clear things up?
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Kaji
Level: 1
Awesome, that helps a lot. Thanks!
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