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As for A; when it comes to the example A

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  ここ にいたって           した  
As for this here, he said that he was innocent.
Shows an extreme situation A
Despite an extreme situation A
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Years Studied: since 2000
Studying: のため、だから
Level: 126, : 4,375
you can also use る and らず as well - the former having the same general meaning as って, the latter meaning something along the lines of 'without reaching such a situation'
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9 years ago
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Added the first. Do you think the latter would fit better as a new expression?
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9 years ago
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Years Studied: since 2000
Studying: のため、だから
Level: 126, : 4,375
yeah - maybe another usage on the same page? Or something on it's own?
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9 years ago
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Years Studied: Too many
Studying: Random things
Level: 153, : 510
The Kanzen Master grammar book for N1 has separate entries for ~にって・~にっても and ~にっては with separate usage and definition information. Assuming that information is accurate, perhaps this page could be updated to reflect that? The current information matches that given in Kanzen Master for ~にっては, but it doesn't really explain how to use ~にって・~にっても, which is supposedly used for extreme situations and their results, and which can be used with verbs in addition to nouns.
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8 months ago
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Level: 22, : 4,073

Did a bit of digging around, this is what I got. Let me know if you are seeing the same:

いたって - used to mark a time or situation when something extreme/drastic happens. N/V precedes it.

いたっては - given on this page, but needs to be noted that it's only used for negative statements.

いたっても - similar to #1, used to mark an extreme time or situation, but it followed with something that hasn't been done/achieved yet (negative phrase).

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8 months ago
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Years Studied: Too many
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Sounds about right. This is what Kanzen Master shows:

~にって・~にっても: ではえられないにつく。「~にって」のには、がそこまでんでやっとどうなったか、「~にっても」のには、んでもどうならないかをる。

~にっては:としてあきれた、ひどいというす。につく。には、そのがどんなかをる。
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8 months ago
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Ok, added them! We're pretty backlogged on getting model sentences added to the ones without examples, but we'll get there at some point.

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8 months ago
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Years Studied: Too many
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Thanks!

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8 months ago
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