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This topic is tied to the below grammar expression in the grammar library.
さえ/にさえ/でさえ
1. Even A
This has the same meaning as Aも, but さえ is stronger than も.
この               ほど     
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mysticfive
Level: 1611
I see a lot of sentences using the verb stem instead of the て-form with this - あなたはそのボタンをしさえすればい, and しさえすればよい, for example
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13 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 262
There is a different grammar page entry for that one. The way I see it, this page is for the form that closely resembles/replaces 'even', where as the さえ~ば is 'if only ...'.
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12 years ago
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Feade
Level: 3
Can it be used with a negative? for example: しないでさえした。
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11 years ago
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warun
Level: 1
The example sentence for the noun is missing a particle.
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10 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 262
Alright - the explanation has been adjusted so the optional items are in grey.
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10 years ago
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Torinn88
Level: 1

Is there an easy rule for when to use each particle? Choosing between に, で, or none is something I always second guess myself on.

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8 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 262

The に and で are only used if the sentence without さえ had them originally. For example:


ったことがない。 (I haven't been to a foreign country)

にさえったことがない。(I haven't even been to a foreign country).


Same with で. With the regular ol' さえ, it often replaces を or が, like this:


ひらがながめない。 (I can't read hiragana)

ひらがなさえめない。(I can't even read hiragana)


This isn't a full answer, but hopefully it helps!

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8 years ago
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oddic
Level: 22

It seems that で may be added for emphasis after nouns (which is the only way to interpret some of the example sentences). The other particles, like に but also と, から etc., are only present if present in the original sentence. For this reason it is a bit confusing that にさえ is listed as one of the options in the pattern. が is always replaced according to the Tobira textbook.

https://jlptsensei.com/learn-j...

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17 days ago
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マイコー
Level: 262

All the particles following the noun are marked as optional with the parentheses, but if you feel there is a better way to lay it out, I'd love to hear it so I can consider changing it.

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16 days ago
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