We are getting much, much closer to our renshuu 3.0 beta goal, and I am tackling one of the last pages I really haven't gotten to: the mastery schedule summary page.
There are a few areas I would like to discuss, and then I'll have some mockups of changes, probably later in the week.
[b]My schedules[/b] (left side of page)
I want to drop this entirely. The freeze link doesn't really belong, the functionality on the schedule admin page will ultimately be moved elsewhere, creating a schedule will be easier to get to elsewhere, and the list of schedules...I would like to make this info available in a dropdown menu if needed, but I would like to shift the workflow on the site to
1)Choose a schedule from your dashboard (the new central hub of renshuu 3.0)
2)Either start directly from that page or come to the summary, then start
3)After going through one or more quizzes, jump to another schedule (if necessary) from more convenient links available on the Finish Quiz page
[b]Upcoming terms[/b]
I feel like this area is largely wasted space, and can be demotivating at times. I would like to scrap it for a much easier way to see 'health' of the schedule in the near future:
a)Terms for today: xxx
b)Recommended terms this week: xxx/day (an average of the next several days)
I feel like these two numbers will be of more use than the current blue bar graph )and will help to declutter the page)
[b]Quiz Settings/Tweak your schedule[/b]
How often do you use this? (each of the panels). I do not want to get rid the quiz settings; I think those are changed often depending on where you are studying (mobile/pc, home/work, etc), but..how often do you tweak the schedule's settings? I feel like if it really isn't used much, the page could be much cleaner by removing it and simply requiring that users go to the schedule's settings page if they want to make changes.
Thanks in advance for your comments!
I feel like this
>[b]Upcoming Terms[/b]
I like to check this to keep an eye on how my week will be, quizzing-wise. I'd prefer we keep that around, even if it's in a pop-up somewhere.
>[b]Quiz settings/Tweak your schedule[/b]
Don't really use it. In fact, half the time I try to use it I realize that whatever setting I wanted to change is on the full settings page so I have to go there anyway. Having all the schedule settings in one place seems more consistent to me.
>[b]List of schedules[/b]
I've set my schedules up in what is probably a unique (read: hackish) way. I have one schedule which has all of my terms in it, but will never give me a new term. Then I have three other schedules: one for my textbook, one for the JLPT, and one which contains extra vocabulary words that I've added to a private lesson (I use it to keep track of the words I hear in anime etc. and want to keep track of). These three schedules add terms for me automatically.
When I feel comfortable with my vocabulary, I study from those three schedules so that I can have new terms introduced to me. But if I start to fall behind, I study the overall list. That way, I can keep up with what I already know without being buried by new terms.
If you remove the list of schedules and enforce a sequential order, it would break my routine. If I start to fall behind, I'd have to go to the settings page for each schedule, set the "new terms per quiz" setting to zero, and vice-versa when I wanted to learn terms again.
Perhaps you could add a function similar to freezing a schedule, but it would only freeze the introduction of new terms. That way I could use the proposed sequential scheduling and still be able to throttle my incoming vocabulary when I need to. It would have to be readily accessible. Maybe it could take the place of the current Freeze Schedule button? I have a feeling that people would use this if it were available, plus it would get the "Freeze Schedule" button off of the page at the same time.
Thanks for the responses:
1. Upcoming terms - I want to preserve some kind of info that shows what's coming up, but I would ask this: how often are the next 7-10 days radically different from one another? I think they are typically close enough to one another that showing an average for the next 10 days would do the job.
3. I might have been unclear. I have no intention of enforcing any kind of order. Instead, I want to make it easier for you to jump from the finish page to a schedule *of your choosing* (instead of having to go up to a)the menu or b)back to the schedule's main page).
1) That sounds good, it's just that I'd like to be able to access the raw data too. I'm sure I'm in the minority here, so I'd get over it pretty quickly if you decide to scrap it :)
3) Sorry, I misunderstood you. Quick links to move between schedules is a good idea.
I still think my method feels hackish though and would love to see my proposed feature, assuming anyone else wants to use it. I probably should have mentioned it before on the feature requests board instead of hijacking this thread. ごめんね。
I look forward to playing around with 3.0 once you have mockups available. Keep up the good work!
Correct. If I could pause the introduction of new terms, then I would go back to having just one schedule with all of my lists in it.
To be completely unambiguous: It should have the same effect as going to the schedule's General Preferences and setting "Introducing unstudied terms" to "Add from 0 to 0 per quiz".
> My schedules (left side of page)
Sounds good.
> Upcoming terms
It would be nice to have the information for the first 5-7 days easily available, without a popup. If you dont want to use so much space with a chart I wouldn't mind to the info on a single line like this:
Upcoming terms: 50->60->55->40->35
> b)Recommended terms this week: xxx/day (an average of the next several days)
What is a recommended term? :-[
> Quiz Settings/Tweak your schedule
Not that often, I use it mostly to adjust the limits for new terms.
What I do very often is go into the page settings during the quiz just to change the Play pronunciation after answering a question option... not sure if this is considered quiz setting or not.
err...'recommended term' was just a phrase I came up with on the spot - I would like to, if possible, shift the language on the page to focus more on the 'health' of the schedule - and along those lines, this would be a recommended number of terms you should study each day to keep the schedule healthy.
Quiz settings - I do use this not irregularly to change new terms per quiz, but not much otherwise. I'd love to have a quicker way to access the quiz settings (perhaps from the end-of-quiz splash page?) if the schedule summary page is being eliminated, though, because I change vector settings all the time.
>my schedules
as long as we have access through the dropdowns in the header, not a bad idea. I agree that moving the Freeze button is a good idea.
>upcoming terms
unlike most people, I check it regularly. My schedules often have a wide variance in terms per day. For example, my main JLPT schedule looks like this for the next three days: 194->143->172. The single line display would work for me.
I meant to mention this on the other schedule thread, but I would like to see the number of terms to be quizzed when choosing the next schedule. Is it possible to reuse (or reconfigure) the my schedules box as a dropdown for the "jump to new schedule"? Or something similar?
Sorry if I'm not making much sense---having to shovel out a parking space at 3am did a number on me.
[quote author=できるだけ link=topic_id=5885&post_id=31060#rmsg_31060 date=1387148875]if the schedule summary page is being eliminated, though, because I change vector settings all the time.[/quote]
Which vector settings exactly are you referring to?
Julie: The dropdowns in the header are not going to be there anymore; it is a bit hard to explain the new layout of the site as a whole, but we are arranging things so it is very easy to get to the schedules without those links.
I think I understand what you're saying with your request. I'll have you confirm it when I eventually get around to working on that page.
I meant the study vectors (kanji -> kana, etc.) under Mastery Schedule Preferences, on the schedule settings page. I wasn't referring to the abbreviated quiz settings box specifically - just that, when quizzing, I normally start a quiz, use the hot keys at the end-of-quiz page to keep quizzing until I run out of new terms, then go back to the schedule summary page and add a new vector for that schedule.
I just want to be able to see how many terms are ready to be quizzed before I start a schedule. I don't like jumping in blind...and sometimes I like to empty the ones with few terms before I tackle the big (BIG) ones. I
It doesn't even need to resemble the "my schedules" box--that was just so you'd understand what I meant. Even something as simple as a popup when I hover over the schedule name would work.
Make more sense?
It would also help if there was some way to tell how many terms remain to be studied in a schedule when (or before) you hit "continue studying" or the "r" key.
> My schedules (left side of page)
Ok for me
> Upcoming terms
I'd like to have the raw data as well just like it is right now. I like to have an idea of what is coming up.
> Quiz Settings/Tweak your schedule
This should be part of the settings of the schedule. I practically never change it.
Ok, got an in-progress test. A few points:
1)There are some areas where I would like a bit more explanation text
2)Not quite happy with the 'mastery levels for VECTOR' header on the right side (it's a dropdown box for choosing a different vector) - might handle that differently.
3)The bottom half (quiz settings) is gone because I haven't redone that part yet. [img]http://i.imgur.com/QSCbnLx.png[/img]
4)If you're curious, all of the numbers on the page are ones I just typed in or are randomly chosen, so numbers might not match up with one another.
This is a small niggle, but I've always felt it odd that there's no easy way to see how many terms you already know in a schedule. You either have to subtract the "not yet introduced" count from the total or add up all the bar graph numbers. If it were up to me it would read something like this: "788 / 3,284 terms studied (24%). 2,444 unstudied, 52 hidden". That conveys more information without being too unwieldy. I also think it gives a better sense of progress.
That aside, I like the new layout.
