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shirokitsune
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So while I was studying my Kanji today I came across kuzu. When asked what the stroke count was I was very confident that it was 12.

When I looked at the options I found that they were 8, 9, 10, and 11. Thinking I must have made a mistake I went back and rewrote it.

Again to my dismay I found I had come up with 12. I then clicked 11 got the answer right and decided to find out what was going on.

First I went to Jisho.org to see if it could help and it stated that the Kanji had 11 strokes. I decided I would watch their animation to see where I went wrong only to find their animation has 12 strokes. Here is a link to their page. http://jisho.org/search/%E8%91%9B%20%23kanji

So after that I went to a Japanese page to find the stroke order. Here it explained that there are two methods of writing the kanji. What I find hard to believe is that most places list the 11 stroke order but show the 12 stroke kanji. http://kakijun.jp/page/kuzu200.html Digging deeper I found that in 2004 there was a revision to the Kanji where the old 11 stroke version was dropped and the 12 stroke version has become main stream.



Does anybody know of any other Kanji where this has happened?

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8 years ago
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There are many fonts that still use the old shapes.
Many online stroke order diagrams are based on KanjiVG. For there are four variants in KanjiVG's repository:

Most stroke order diagrams probably still use 0845b.svg.


If you look up in KanjiVG's viewer it displays the new shape (0845b-Hyougai). If you look up the history of 0845b-Hyougai.svg you'll see that it was added rather recently. (On the other hand if I understand 0845b.svg's history correctly it should be the new shape.)

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How7213
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Hmmm, This problem gets even worse when you start to look at pre-war kanji. Many historical monuments around Japan are still written in these older style kanji. Let's face it, it isn't really that long ago but the kanji are significantly different to the modern forms. The attached link has a pretty reasonable list and explanation but I've seen other kanji that are also significantly different from the norm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABjitai

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