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Hello! I'm a little confused about kanji 'ame' 飴 and the way it is written. Renshuu says it has 14 strokes, but shows stroke order with 13 strokes. On the other hand, jisho.org says it has 13 strokes, but shows stroke order with 14 strokes... I guess the number of strokes changed with time, but which way of writing it is considered correct now? Does anyone know? :)
As for fonts this is one of 168 kanji for which the recommended renderings changed in 2004 (see Wikipedia and Kakijun).
E. g. iOS has very few modern Japanese fonts and when you look up this kanji on renshuu with iOS/macOS you get two different (font) renderings:
It would be nice of course if the number of strokes were consistent with the stroke order diagrams ;-)
The strokes shown on jisho.org are wrong. No one writes the left hand radical in this way. That accounts for the extra stroke in the stroke order diagram, though it correctly says 13 strokes.
Actually now looking at the whole stroke order up to that point, it is not ordered correctly at all. I'm really disappointed.
It should rather be:
Not sure what caused it to barf, but I chopped off a few characters, and it is displaying more or less properly now.
I just pushed an update to the stroke order files that fixed a number of issues. Unfortunately, these issues of strokes being combined or not combined seems to be inside the original set of data produced by kanjivg.tagaini.net - I am still looking into it. The project unfortunately does not look like updates to the data file are going through - the last commit to the github was quite some time ago. I might need to go in and make the changes myself, but that's going to possibly require a lot of one-by-one editing. I need to get a grasp on the extent of the issue - is it affecting 10, 100, or 500 kanji?
The issue seems to be caused by the charcter for (found in the quote above)
Yes, I also encountered that. Everything after that character (2967F in unicode) got chopped off.
However, I was able to delete my original post and replace it with an image instead. I just assumed the forums don't support the entire range...
I was able to delete my post, too. Then I started a new post and funny things happened. But now I guess I just didn't see the edit/delete icons because my browser window wasn't wide enough (and the post was strangely formatted). So I'll try again with the image ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_jōyō_kanji#c... reads
BTW: renshuu (still) seems to be based on the 1981 jōyō kanji list. E. g. there is no information about the school level of the readings for these kanji. Does anybody know an online resource for this classification for the current jōyō kanji list? (The readings are included in 常用漢字表 mentioned above but not the level.)
@マイコー I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. But if you want to make the number of strokes consistent with the stroke order diagram you only have to count the number of strokes and I'm sure you already did that when you created the stroke order diagrams. Different number of stroke counts are likely to exist if there are more than two svg files for the same character, e. g.
I'm actually not using the svgs, but the original xml file. I haven't yet had a chance to see exactly how the xml file is splitting up the data for ones like, as you showed, have variants.
All in all, a lot of things regarding the kanji data need to be updated, and this is one the main things I am working on in this minor version update to the site. Will have more information as I get things changed!
With xml file you mean kanjivg-20160426.xml.gz? I'm not sure if this file really contains the variants.
As for the number of kanji that have variants with different numbers of strokes, I scanned the data in kanjivg-20160426-all.zip and found the following 79 kanji:
05026, 050c5, 05132, 0514e, 0537f, 053a9, 053df, 05618, 0564c, 05835, 05a29, 05c60, 05fbd, 0633d, 06357, 06372, 06666, 06840, 0685d, 0698a, 06994, 069cc, 06a0b, 06adb, 06b4e, 06c72, 06c9b, 06f23, 07015, 0701e, 07026, 07058, 07149, 071d0, 0724c, 0727d, 07511, 078d4, 07941, 07947, 079b0, 07a17, 07a7f, 07b08, 07bb8, 07c2a, 07e4b, 0817f, 08258, 083b1, 0845b, 084ec, 085af, 085f7, 08755, 08836, 08877, 08956, 08b0e, 08ced, 08fbb, 08fbf, 08fc2, 08fc4, 08fe6, 09017, 09019, 09022, 0903c, 09041, 0905c, 09061, 091a4, 0939a, 09453, 098f4, 09905, 0990c, 09957
It seems to contain some, but not all the variants. Fortunately, I've knocked down a number of other issues as of late, so I can put more time into this!