掲示板 Forums - Schedule-specific mastery / split level for kanji→reading vs reading→kanji

Hey there! Long time user here, first time posting in the forums.
I'll try to keep this relatively short:
For a long time I've relied on multi-choice kanji→reading for kanji reviews, so I have a problem with writing a lot of the kanji I know from memory. To remedy this, I thought I'd make a new schedule and start from the ground up doing only reading→kanji quizzes using a handwriting keyboard. Unfortunately, when I went to try this the first time I discovered that:
A. Kanji→reading and reading→kanji draw from the same mastery level.
B. As the levels are global, I can't review anything in the new schedule as the early kanji levels are already so high. Even if I could use the schedule, it would interfere with the old (reading) one.
Between these two points I think it's probably not possible to make my plan work without making a new account and logging in and out of each every day.

So, to make this sort of thing work I'd like to propose that either:
-Some sort of "pseudo-mastery level" feature be implemented, allowing users to have multiple schedules drawing from different pools of mastery values for their review timings
or
-The Kanji reading mastery levels be split into reading→kanji and kanji→reading.

I hope at least one of these isn't too hard an ask. Thanks a lot for all the work you put in to the site, it's been really helpful!

Thanks for the reply!
My bad for not realizing this was already a feature, but some of the things you mentioned still don't quite line up - as seen in the screenshots below, my mastery levels are lumped together (into kun- and on-) just as you said they would be for a 'Quick and simple' schedule. However, both this new schedule and my usual multi-choice one are and always were set to 'Slow and thorough'. I've tried changing the setting to fast and back again for both but still can't even see the four separate levels, let alone reset some myself, so here I am crying for help again. Is it possible that this 'lumping' is a hold-over from an older version of the site? Either way, any help you can give getting them split up/reset would be much appreciated.

Also, as an aside, I found that the new schedule had reset itself to the default multichoice questions, and continues to reset whenever I try to change the question types to reading->kanji, even if I run a quiz with the new setting to make sure it's saved. I figure this is a symptom of the mastery level problem, but just thought I'd include it in case it helps.
...And sorry again for making such a fuss over what's likely just a me issue.

Oh! That's a shame. Thanks anyway for taking the time out to consider this while you're so busy.
But not all is lost! This talk of vocabulary schedules has given me another hair-brained scheme to work around the site's limitations: creating a schedule full of custom terms, each of which has ALL of a kanji's readings under the kana field, and the kanji itself in the kanji field. If all goes according to plan, I should be able to make a pseudo-kanji schedule with its own separate mastery, disconnected from any other vocab or kanji schedules, all without having to bother you again. I'll just need to build up the motivation to put such a thing together... wish me luck!
Thanks again, and keep being awesome!

It would be massive, and to be honest, not something I'm going to do in the near future - with my time being as limited as it is (and the site being just me), I have to focus on improvements that I think will have the most bang for the buck, so to speak (except replace buck with time). This is rather minor in terms of how much work it would require.

I'm not ruling it out completely, but for the time being...

Ok, no I don't think it's just something crazy I'm doing, but maybe if I run through my thought process someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.

I want to practice writing kanji in a way that doesn't interfere with any of the other mastery schedules. The logical option for that was the kana -> kanji vector.
As far as I could determine, it's not possible to do this at a kanji level, only under vocab (makes sense in terms of context I guess) so I copied all the terms from my vocab studying schedule and put them into a new one with only the vector I wanted for writing.
The first time I tried it, it was asking me to write all sorts of things that I wasn't able to, so I did a pass to make sure only the things I wanted to practice writing were marked as known.
The problem now is that as the kanji get marked as known (presumably through quizzing), they appear in this writing quiz again and I've no way of working around it.
The one that particularly comes to mind is 趣味 - when I unmark 趣 as known, I can write しゅ味, which is exactly what I want. But I feel like I've unmarked it at least 3 times now, and yet it still comes back like a bad penny.

Any thoughts or suggestions greatly appreciated!

Thanks, that one hasn't come back yet, but I've submitted reports for a couple of others.
Today I've had a very clear one - 旅行 came up for writing and (correctly) had 旅 in grey. I took a screenshot when I noticed it because it tends to be one of the problematic ones. Then in a different quiz 旅 came up as a reading question and after I answered it correctly, I checked and it was now marked as known. As soon as I finished that quiz, there was now one item to be studied in my writing schedule, which had already been finished, and when I checked, sure enough, it was たび.
I have the screenshots I can send you if it would be useful?
I know the obvious solution here is to just learn to write all the extra ones :) and I do plan to get there at some point, but it would be great for the moment of there was a way I could manage this a bit better (and maybe there already is and I'm missing it.)

I think it should be fixed, if I correctly understand what you want. Thanks for the quiz reports, by the way!

In settings, under Vocabulary, I unchecked this: "What kanji should be displayed in vocabulary" - "kanji I study on renshuu"

Let's see if that helps!

My apologies - I had a longer reply written, but then my computer froze.

1 - It sounds like you are correct in your expectations of the lightbulb. Can you give an example of it being on, but not marked to study?
2 - I checked the schedule, and it looks like you tried to fix the 格 issue? If possible, here's what I'd like you to do - next time it happens, send (again) an in-quiz report detailing the kanji/word. Additionally, do not try to alter the levels/I know conditions of the terms so I can hopefully see it exactly as you are seeing it.
3-  It might be a good idea in the future to expand the "show kanji I've studied on renshuu" to have a subsetting of "after I study it xx times", with a simple dropdown.

Ok, so I've sent a bunch of reports, sorry for all the spam!

The ones which used to be black but were grey today (and still have a lightbulb) I reported as 'should be known', although I'm not sure if you need those.

The ones which must have been automatically marked since they're very unfamiliar to me and I certainly don't want to practice writing them yet I reported as 'has a lightbulb but I don't know it well yet'.

And 悌 was a new term for today - it already has a lightbulb after answering one question but I forgot to send the report during the quiz.

After finishing my vocab questions and then working through the kanji, I had two extra items appear under vocab after answering questions on the kanji: 格好いい and 総, although for some reason only 格好いい showed up in my writing practice schedule.

I didn't change any of the items I sent reports for, hope you can make sense of it all :)

Thanks again for looking into this; sorry I didn't reply sooner, I didn't realise you had posted.

So, for the question of grey items that were previously black, I'm fine with that since I can fix it by un-marking them as known and then making again - I definitely prefer it set this way since I can understand which ones I marked manually.

I'm also cool with not being able to have it toggle at a certain level, that was more of a wishlist idea, I appreciate it wouldn't be simple to implement.

The part where I think we may still be slightly missing each other, and it could be because I have the wrong mental model of how it should work, it that I would prefer, all else being as it is, to be able to entirely turn off the automatic marking as known and just do it manually.  As far as I can tell, that feature is the reason why things show up in my vocab schedule when I don't want them to - 格好いい being a prime example of this.

Does that make sense?  No rush to reply, I think I can work around it anyway.

Hope you have a great holiday season :)

P.S.
Adding a couple of notes that came to me as I was studying:
To be super clear, my ultimate wishlist request would be for the auto-marked items to stay gray and behave just as they do now, but with the exception that they would appear in the reading questions as kanji (possibly still gray). I'd like them only to go black and behave like black items after I specifically make a choice (representing the point where I feel comfortable that I can write the kanji, which is obviously arbitrary and can't be determined by an algorithm.)

Also, on reflection I'm not sure that the toggle you changed is working quite as expected, which might be part of the confusion - I think the items that had already been marked automatically did what they were meant to, but I think that the new ones were going black, and that was what was causing things like 趣味 and 格好いい to show up black in my vocab even though I hadn't changed them manually.