掲示板 Forums - Sentence listening schedule w/ terms left to study that cannot be studied

Schedule #126540 shows terms left to learn in the mastery view, but does not let me study any those - no limit of daily learning in place here:

Yesterday, the schedule showed "79 learned, 76 not learned" - I didn't add any new items to the schedule and only learned 1 new sentence today - but the numbers for terms learned/not yet learned changed by more than just 1 sentence to what is shown above [but the sum of the mastery items studied + not studied would fit the now presented 95 terms learned.

On a sidenote: it is strange that there is apparently one sentence in here that cannot be studied - this is a sentence listening only schedule and I thought that all the sentences in the included lessons had audio (schedule only includes the monthly renshuu sentence lessons).

While you are looking into the issue with not all terms being quizzable that are supposedly due, I am just posting this update as the number of terms known/not known changed again compared to yesterday (I again only added 1 new sentence today, but I apparently "lost" 5 known to not known overnight):

But this schedule in question allows only one single vector (listening) and I would expect that any sentences without any audio to show up as "cannot be studied as no audio" and not as "left to study at Mastery level 1".

Regarding the known->unknown shift, before I did any quizzes in that schedule the count now again shifted to 82:73 (from yesterday 91:64)

After I did the 18 items due today there was another shift to 88:67 (and also, again 6 items left marked as "ready to study in this listening only schedule")

The jumping between known and unknown seems to be limited to the listening schedule. The known/unknown were matching for all three schedules (comprehension, listening, order) before I started the listening questions. After i finished the listening questions (today leaving 11 terms as "ready to study" in the mastery view) they were as follows:

Comprehension (#103106): 85 known, 71 unknown
Order (#126541): 85 known, 71 unknown
Listening (#126540): 86 known, 69 unknown, 1 not able to study

I unfortunately am not able to extract the list of sentences currently (see separate issue topic on that), so I could not try to compare what sentences are showing up as known in all three schedules and which sentence is known in Listening but unknown in the rest.

So... I did that. (¬_¬")

Listening schedule started out at 83 studied, 70 not studied, 3 cannot study. I compared that against the sentence comprehension schedule which works for all included sentences where I got the numbers 86/70, hence I presume that the "3 cannot study" in the listening schedule are all also belonging to the "studied" block of the sentence comprehension schedule. I did exports of the full sentence list in the not studied category at each stage.

Stage / # Studied / # Not Studied / # in Export of Not Known

Pre-quiz / 83 / 70 / 70
10 done / 84 / 69 / 70
20 done / 84 / 69 / 70
all done / 85 / 68 / 70

As visible above, the export file always shows 70 sentences, even if the schedule itself is telling me that there are only 68 sentences now left in the "Not studied" block. I compared the 4 extracted lists of sentences and they are identical (i.e. same sentences, same order).

I did 1-2 mistakes in all but the last stage, but this did not seem to be the deciding factor here.

Tomorrow, I can look into just doing one quiz at a time and note down which sentences lead to a change in the studied/not studied numbers.

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Another thing I noticed now though - mastery level 1 today also of course showed that there is still more to do today:

Summing up what is shown on that mastery level would mean there are 13 sentences in mastery level 1, but extracting that sentence list only shows 12 sentences, as listed below.

いいえ、ここで食べます。 - No, I'll be eating here.
カウンターでもいいです。 - I'm fine with a counter seat.
おすすめはありますか？ - Are there any recommendations？
以上です。 - Finished (with the order).
飲み物は食事の後に下さい。 - Drinks after the meal, please.
女湯はあちらです。 - The women's bath is over there.
嬉しいなー。ありがとう！ - I'm (so) happy, thanks!
うん。ついにだよ。 - Yeah, finally.
ここから 歩いて 5 分 の ところ だ よ 。 - It's a five-minute walk from here.
元気ですか？ - How are you?
何か困ってる？ - Is something wrong?
最近どう？ - How have you been lately?

Out of all of these, one sentence has no audio attached to it:
ここから 歩いて 5 分 の ところ だ よ 。 - It's a five-minute walk from here.

This could maybe be one of the two that are to left to study today, but as it does not have any audio attached it actually should not show up in the mastery view at all and instead be hidden away in the "cannot study" group?

Problem A: Studied vs. unstudied count shifting

I did one sentence at a time today, i.e. just did one quiz and immediatelly ended the quiz, no matter if I did the sentence right or wrong, checked if the number of studied/not studied changed and - if it did - noted down which sentence I did and if I got it right or wrong. Below the list of sentences with an indicator if I did it right or wrong:

Correct: 御勧めはありますか？
Correct: 以上です。
Wrong: うれしいなー。ありがとう！ [no change after doing it right another time]
Correct: 女湯はあちらです。
Correct: いいえ、ここで食べます。
Correct: 飲み物は食事の後にください。

Before I started any quiz in that schedule it showed 84 studied and 69 unstudied (which seems correct). Now after I am through all terms I had to do today it shows 90 studied and 63 not studied.

Extracting the list of not studied terms again shows that there are 69 unstudied, so the site seems to know it is 69 unstudied terms for this schedule but the count/calculation on the schedule overview page itself seems to get confused over time. I believe I did not have had a shift as bad as today yet, so I am not sure if my constant quiz aborting/restarting aggravated the problem compared to me usually doing all questions in one go.

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Problem B: Items left to study as per mastery graph

Today, 7 terms remained on mastery level 1 as "ready to be studied"

As per the numbers shown there it should be 11 terms that are at mastery level 1, but checking the list of terms on that level only shows 5 terms:
1) カウンターでもいいです。 - I'm fine with a counter seat.
2) うん。ついにだよ。 - Yeah, finally.
3) 何か困ってる？ - Is something wrong?
4) 最近どう？ - How have you been lately?
5) 大丈夫？ - Are you OK?

Out of those, sentence 5) was added newly today in the comprehension schedule. Sentences 1) and 4) were also part of today's comprehension schedule quiz.

Sentences 2) and 3) were not quizzed by any of my three sentences schedules today (comprehension, order, listening).

Thanks for all your detailed information, and sorry I could not respond more readily - weekends are always more off than on for me.

Just an fyi - you do not need to quit the quiz ever. Finishing the quiz early does not actually do anything - it just boots you to the finish page. If you press back, you can actually continue the quiz, so it is incapable of making any changes to the data.

I was under the impression that, until now, the unknowns went up, but this time, they went down despite you not studying any new sentences, is that correct?

Alright - so if we are correct in that it is mismarking them as "new", then the debugging I just added should show up. I will have it show a toast (those greening alerts that top up in the top-right) any time it things you are studying a sentence for the first time in a schedule. If you see that pop up and you do not think it's a new sentence, send an in-quiz bug report. Thanks!

Interesting...I'd like a few more examples to confirm it, but it sounds like it is not marking it as a new term, but instead, doing something else with the summary numbers. Let me think on it a bit.

Alright - I think I have an idea as to what data is getting thrown off (no idea on the reason, though). I added in a bit more debugging. It will not show you anything differently, but it should email me if it notices those numbers slip out of alignment.

So, if you see the numbers jump again after quizzing, please let me know!