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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

Is there any way to get private sentences to show for word quizzes? I was hoping to port some of the JLPTsensei N3 grammar material to renshuu just to study the grammar terms themselves (to memorize their meaning, not to practice use). For now I just open another tab to look up each term's examples on my own but would prefer to have them listed underneath the term like with all the other example sentences for official renshuu lists.

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4 months ago
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Level: 110, : 6,645

They should be available as long as you bind them to the dictionary (where it splits up the sentence word-by-word).

If it's not showing up, please do this for me: the next time a word with a private sentence doesn't give you that sentence in the quiz, tap the ? button at the top and send in a quiz report. That should help me isolate the issue.

Thanks!

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4 months ago
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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

I'll give that a try, thanks!

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4 months ago
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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

Seems like it's still happening but I get duplicate sentence errors now (they exist but still don't display). Reported the terms in question.

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4 months ago
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Level: 110, : 6,645

I have not been available the last few days, sorry! Can you please do the following for me:

1. Go to Learn > Lesson center, make a new (private) lesson, and add 2-3 terms that have private sentences in them, but the sentences are not appearing in quizzes. Please let me know once you've done that, so I can use the lesson for testing and fixing the issue. Thanks!

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4 months ago
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I got a chance to look into this.

Here's what is happening: each of the terms you are working on were user-entered terms. In other words, they were added as private entries to the dictionary despite there being an official entry in the renshuu dictionary database.

As an example, let's use あまりにも. This is in renshuu's dictionary, and it has example sentences. However, the one you are studying (same with ばよかった, ほう~が) were ones made by users - this is why there is a little red U next to the term. These are *not* verified by renshuu.

So when you added a sentence to each of these, the word binding popup appears, and asks you to bind the words in the sentence to the dictionary. This binding system does not reference user made terms - some of them are duplicates, and others may contain data that is inaccurate and cannot be verified. So, it finds the official entry of あまりにも, and binds the sentence to that.

In other words, this issue only exists for user-made words - any private sentences attached to terms in the official dictionary work without a hitch.

I will think about if there is a way to make a special link between your private sentence and the word you are attaching it to, but it is not something I can do at the moment.

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4 months ago
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Good news - I changed the code a bit, so you can now bind a sentence to a word, even if the sentence does not contain the word. This should be much closer (if not 100%) of expected behavior from your end.

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4 months ago
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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

Great! I'll try it out. Thanks for taking the time to look into this.

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4 months ago
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Level: 261, : 14

Looks like it's working!

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If there were a way to tokenize the custom terms, so that they are highlighted green like you do with the public quizzes, that would be great but for now this is exactly what I need.

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4 months ago
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Level: 261, : 14

P.S. Is there a way to purge the existing sentences cache so I can re-add sentences to get them to show or do I need to delete and re-create the word bank in the lesson center?

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4 months ago
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1. It will not be possible to tokenize them in the way you're describing, since they are not "available" in the parsing system. This may be something I can fix in the future, but it's a much larger change that would require a lot more work.

2. I can wipe all your private sentences if you'd like.

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4 months ago
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No worries on the tokenization then.

I don't have that many sentences entered compared to what I was planning to do so go ahead and purge the existing ones.


Thanks again!

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4 months ago
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Sorry for the delay - I see that you've added a bunch more (you're at 80 at the moment). Do you still want me to wipe all of them, or just a subset?

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4 months ago
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You can still purge them, It takes me barely any time to add them back.

By the way, is it possible to expand on the sentence banks from the question result page? I didn't see an option to do so.

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4 months ago
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Done!

And if there are more sentences, there should be a "Show more sentences" link just below the 2-3 that show up.

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4 months ago
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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

Thanks,

Will there still be a way for me to load additional sentences after I've put in some for a term? The option disappears after I return to the term a second time.

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4 months ago
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Level: 110, : 6,645

Should be available now to the right of the title

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4 months ago
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Years Studied: 3
Level: 261, : 14

Found it!

Thanks again for all your help!

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4 months ago
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Level: 261, : 14

Ah, seems like it's happening again and some of my example sentences have disappeared. Strangely when I try to re-add the sentences it shows duplicates.

e.x. for べきだ: おもちゃは、であるべきです。= Safety comes first for toys

shows up as a duplicate even though it's not visible in the list in the lesson center

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3 months ago
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I'm looking into it now, just wanted to let you know.

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3 months ago
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