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One thing i would see is the spawn default position. I have the bamboo thing / onsen there and sometimes I have to move the bamboo thing so that the smaller items like the onigiri can be moved. Is there a good workaround?

This is how Kao Garden looks on an Android device in Portrait and Landscape modes (OS: MIUI 12.5 Enhanced).

I don't know if it is displayed properly, so I decided to show you for discussion purposes.

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Well, I personally got used to panning and scrolling pretty fast.

I think that portrait mode is fine the way it is now.

For landscape, I would align the Garden's window to the center, otherwise it's also pretty decent. I wonder if creating the same panning setup as in portrait mode but for up-down direction will make the page look somehow neater? Probably so.

okay this is a very stupid nag but, the sun flowers are so tiny, I kept pressing the grow button after they were done cause I though they'd be big like real sun flower very strange to see a tulip and sun flower being the same height

With the beta release of Kao Garden later this week, I wanted to get some feedback on the Quest system (how you get money for the garden).

As noted, this is meant to be a full replacement for the Achievement hankos (as in, I do not want to lose any* data from the hanko system, as well as the progress of users both new and old). Some users have been building up hanko achievement stats for 10+ years!

This is an example of some of the permanent quests (same as current hankos). The system will also have daily and weekly challenges.

Now, I copied the data of a long-time user for testing, and not surprisingly, they can already max out (or near max out) many of the all-time quests based on their renshuu usage until now. This is because I would never want to punish anyone by resetting their stats to 0.

While the balancing on the money is not done, this could (for many users, even with 1-2 year accounts) give users a ton of money on day one of Kao Garden, which I'm not crazy about. Basically, I want to help encourage all users to continue to study, and I feel like a lot of that fun is taken away if you can unlock a ton of the store from day one.

I have a few ideas, but I'm not sold on any of them:

1. Unlock the quests up to their current level, but not give them any coins for the finished ones (only what they finish from then on out)

>> Problem: some of them are so high that it would effectively prevent them from getting coins from the permanent quests

2. Allow them to get all the coins, but at a slower pace. For example, say user XX gets 50,000 in coins based on the last 5 years of renshuu usage. They would get those, except they'd be sent in sets of 500 coins each day for the next 100 days.

I would love some feedback from some of my long(er)-time users in particular, but any feedback into this issue would be great!

What a fun problem to have! I guess the way I think of it is, “is there a way to spend 100万 coins on day 1 and still have fun gardening?”

I think if you look to real world for inspiration, there’s plenty of ridiculously expensive things out that are just out of reach for ordinary people, yet the super rich still do it, because it’s still fun. Things like Japanese sculpture gardens, hedge row mazes, personal parks, wildlife preserves, private islands, artificial water falls, zoos, secret underground lairs, nuclear submarine bases, space stations, Mars colonies, and so on. You are limited only by your and Saki’s time and imagination. Just have fun with it, and continue to roll out new things as time and inspiration allows.

The goal should be to making spending coins fun even if you are spending just a few, but still fun if you’ve got a nearly infinite supply.

An issue to be sure. You don’t want to delay the initial rollout for the sake of the small number of users who fall in this category either.

The great thing about mega projects is that, not only do they take a lot of money, they take time: An artificial island might take decades; an old-growth forest could be the work of centuries. Not only that, but without an ongoing commitment, even the simplest project will fail. So you can require coins to be invested up front, and continue to be invested as the project evolves, without having to “deliver” anything for quite some time.

So, at some point, I want to add a way for people to buy coins, with it being strictly understood as "this is a way to help support renshuu", and not as a way to lock away items, or create a paid gacha system, or any of that nastiness.

So, I do hesitate to add anything that has a "chance" of something coming up, because app/play store rules regarding gacha mechanics are complex, and I don't want to have to include rarity information in the app description for something that is 100% optional, and is only going to apply to a small % of people who may want a way to support renshuu in smaller, one-time amounts.

Regardless of where they come from, I think it's easier for me to just have straight up "you buy this, you get this" mechanics - I'm not trying to trap people inside the garden...or am I?

Ok, putting this in - I may tweak the bonus ratio - it currently tops out at 400% if you are one of my super long-term users.