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Even if A... (chances of A are pretty low)
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ね ぇ 、 若 し 彼 が 此処 に 来 た と し て も 私 が 居 る っ て 言 わ な い で ね ！ 
Even if he comes, don't say that I'm here!
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若 し 一 回 戦 で 勝 て た と し て も 、 二 回 戦 は 優 勝 候 補 と 当 た る ことになる 。 
Even supposing that we had been able to win the first game, we'd run into the expected champions in the second game.
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Construction
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もし AVerb: Casual
 
もし ANoun だ
 
もし Aい-adjective: た form
 
もし Aな-adjective: (without な) だ
 
 
としても
Basic Examples:
若し来るとしても (even if he comes)

若し有名としても (even if it's famous)

若し美味しいとしても (even if it's delicious)

Related Expressions
たとえ~ても
としても
もし~たなら
もしも~なら
Where this grammar is found


Grammar usage notes

としても changes to としたって in casual speech.
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恵理子
Level: 1
も is low (chances)
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ディオ-果実
Level: 930
もし vs もしも

「もし彼女から連絡があったとしても…」 = If she contacted me (even if she did)… (normal).

「もしも彼女から連絡があったとしても…」 = Even if by some chance she contacted me… (adds emphasis that it’s unlikely, or you’re strongly imagining the scenario).

Both are grammatically correct. Using もしも makes it sound a little more literary / emotional.
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tsubame.gaeshi
Level: 308

Questions/Discussion

Like a few people before me I've been trying to get my head around how past/present tense are used with this construction!

I just noticed - the construction overview diagram says that い-adjectives should be in た form, but the basic example shows 'もしおいしいとしても (even if it's delicious)'.

Are both forms equally ok here? I'd be interested in learning more about when each of the two forms are appropriate!
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Strawman
Level: 238
I'm a bit confused. It can be used for past and present right? But there's only た form in the formula.

And, is this the same as にしても？
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只者
Level: 366

Discussion about this grammar
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ドロガメ
Level: 9

Are verbs/adjectives usually in the past tense in this form? The sentence under the "Examples" tab is, but the example phrases in the grammar section are all in dictionary form...

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11 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 337

The example stubs beneath the construction are all in present tense; it can be used in both present and past :)

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11 years ago
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ドロガメ
Level: 9

I see, thank you very much! Is there a difference in meaning when past or present tense is used? They both seem to indicate potential future events.

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11 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 337

Not exactly - the condition they refer to can be something that is in the present/future, or something that in the past.


昨日勝ったとしても - even had you won yesterday

明日勝つとしても - even if you were to win tomorrow

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11 years ago
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ニラちゃん
Level: 1
I am trying to make my own sentence, please correct it if it's wrong. 
もし 彼が彼女がもういたとしても、私は彼のことがまだ好きです。
Thanks, ありがとう。
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8 years ago
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solostyle
Level: 17
Can you post it in English please? It is hard to tell what you're trying to say. Is it, even if he told her he liked her, I'd still like him? The two が particles throw me off, and also "もういた" I'm trying to figure out what characters are missing there.
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8 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 337
 もし彼に彼女がいるとしても、私はまだ彼のことが好きです。<< This sounds better!
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8 years ago
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houston_mp
Level: 1
Can you use this with na adjectives? I can only find one clear source (https://japanesetest4you.com/f...)that says you can so I wasn't quite sure. It seems weird to me that you are able to use it for nouns and i-adjectives but not -na adjectives as well.

ex. 
変だとしても絶対笑わないでください。
Even if it happens to be weird, please don't laugh

Also would you be able to use そう with this as well, as in:
食べ物が美味しそうだとしても、彼の料理を本当に食べたいの？
Even if his food were to look delicious, do you really want to eat it?

My examples probably aren't the best but is this grammar point usable in this way?
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7 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 337
You are correct, they can indeed be used. I'll update the page now!
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7 years ago
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スペンサー89
Level: 66

Wouldn't a だ be needed after a Noun +としても？

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5 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 337

Thank you for catching that! I just got it added in there.

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5 years ago
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emanresU
Level: 368

I'm confused about the past vs present verbs here. I see you've addressed it before, but it seems to me that the example sentence still uses the past tense verb even though it refers to a possible future event. (「もし彼がここに来たとしても」"Even if he comes...")

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1 year ago
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マイコー
Level: 337

The English may need some revision, but the past tense is typically used similarly to English in that past can be used for a future action that is not considered possible. "If I were to win the lottery" <-- we generally think of this as (effectively) impossible.

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1 year ago


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