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jcl007
Level: 63

I've been using Renshuu on and off for probably over a year now. It has been the one resource that has gotten me the furthest in learning Japanese, yet I am still in the beginner schedules. There are some things I think that have been stopping me from getting further, and I think most of it is frustration. I am hoping to get some advice on how I stop getting stuck and keep going!

How do you know when you are ready for a new grammar lesson? Do people usually just try them when they are available? One of the issues I have run into is being unfamiliar with vocab that has come up, or not being familiar with the conjugation.

Some examples are: not knowing whether a word is an い or な adjective. Another one is not being familiar with verbs by the time I got to the Basic Verbs lessons. I would get sentences that would ask for the correct conjugation for verbs I had not even learned!

I'm not really sure what I should be doing in this case. I did recently discover that you can focus review specific grammar lists. Should I be focusing more of my study time trying to remember types of adjectives and verbs?

Any advice is appreciated!

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Michael has said elsewhere that he expects users to complete the vocabulary for a grammar block before they start the grammar block. That should help with some of the frustration.

The other thing you want to develop is a tolerance for not understanding everything. As a foreigner in another country, you are going to be lost most of the time. A critical survival skill is to extract the essential information from the cacophony that surrounds you.

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カイガイ
Level: 566

It can be frustrating, but getting a question wrong means it will come up again immediately so you're increasing your exposure and reinforcing your brains pattern recognition. For things you're shaky on or don't understand, getting it wrong and then finding out the answer is the best thing you can do.

But that said, I totally get it. For me personally, and since I don't have an urgent need, I have put grammar on the back burner because it requires so much extra effort. I find learning and drilling vocab and kanji much easier, which keeps my motivation up and helps me stay consistent. I hope when I do shift back to grammar it will feel just that bit easier as I have all the ingredients prepared

So try to stay positive and just remember that patience and consistency are the most important factors in language learning. Try to identify your goals and explore the ways that help you consistently chase them for the long run.


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AnaKik
Level: 222

Imo, for now you don’t need to overthink the types of verbs or adjectives, just focus on the words and their meanings, maybe just pick up -masu forms, but otherwise don’t worry, you’ll figure it out as you go.

By the way, with the conjugations, you don’t really need to know the verbs themselves(other than the exceptions like する and くる), since usually they all just follow the same pattern. And you don’t need to reach some milestone with the previous grammar to start a new grammar block, just as long as you have time and energy to actually read through that bit of theoretical part. Also if you still need more clarity on grammar, you can try videos of the lessons in the resource section. Oh, and if it’s the -te form you have issues with, try the -て form Miku song. It’s the only reason I know its conjugation🫡


And finally, it’s okay to switch between apps and to try other tools and games on renshuu to motivate you. Personally, having a second more gamified app and renshuu’s little crosswords and tools, like the ability to translate songs, all help me get motivated for the reviews here, so maybe it could work for you

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jcl007
Level: 63
AnaKik (0212, 11:42)

Imo, for now you don’t need to overthink the types of verbs or adjectives, just focus on the words and their meanings, maybe just pick up -masu forms, but otherwise don’t worry, you’ll figure it out as you go.

By the way, with the conjugations, you don’t really need to know the verbs themselves(other than the exceptions like する and くる), since usually they all just follow the same pattern. And you don’t need to reach some milestone with the previous grammar to start a new grammar block, just as long as you have time and energy to actually read through that bit of theoretical part. Also if you still need more clarity on grammar, you can try videos of the lessons in the resource section. Oh, and if it’s the -te form you have issues with, try the -て form Miku song. It’s the only reason I know its conjugation🫡


And finally, it’s okay to switch between apps and to try other tools and games on renshuu to motivate you. Personally, having a second more gamified app and renshuu’s little crosswords and tools, like the ability to translate songs, all help me get motivated for the reviews here, so maybe it could work for you

I am seeing a trend in the thread not to focus too much on grammar until you learn vocab, but grammar has definitely been a part of my motivation. On the topic of verbs, it is less knowing what they mean, and more that I haven't even seen the verb. An example is a multiple choice question to fill in the blank from a sentence. It might give me something like "かえります、かえらます、かえします、or かえます'”. If I don't know the root word, how can I know what that is? I think in this case, you need to know it.

I think what would be ideal is that the schedule will not recommend the lesson until you know the vocab required for it, rather than requiring you to study the entire vocab schedule before starting on grammar.

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Icepick87
Level: 588
jcl007 (0212, 13:09)
AnaKik (0212, 11:42)

Imo, for now you don’t need to overthink the types of verbs or adjectives, just focus on the words and their meanings, maybe just pick up -masu forms, but otherwise don’t worry, you’ll figure it out as you go.

By the way, with the conjugations, you don’t really need to know the verbs themselves(other than the exceptions like する and くる), since usually they all just follow the same pattern. And you don’t need to reach some milestone with the previous grammar to start a new grammar block, just as long as you have time and energy to actually read through that bit of theoretical part. Also if you still need more clarity on grammar, you can try videos of the lessons in the resource section. Oh, and if it’s the -te form you have issues with, try the -て form Miku song. It’s the only reason I know its conjugation🫡


And finally, it’s okay to switch between apps and to try other tools and games on renshuu to motivate you. Personally, having a second more gamified app and renshuu’s little crosswords and tools, like the ability to translate songs, all help me get motivated for the reviews here, so maybe it could work for you

I am seeing a trend in the thread not to focus too much on grammar until you learn vocab, but grammar has definitely been a part of my motivation. On the topic of verbs, it is less knowing what they mean, and more that I haven't even seen the verb. An example is a multiple choice question to fill in the blank from a sentence. It might give me something like "かえります、かえらます、かえします、or かえます'”. If I don't know the root word, how can I know what that is? I think in this case, you need to know it.

I think what would be ideal is that the schedule will not recommend the lesson until you know the vocab required for it, rather than requiring you to study the entire vocab schedule before starting on grammar.

​That might require more vocab knowledge for that type of question. However, grammar is easier than that.

Without going into details of any particular grammar point, the thing is there are types of words which get classed into some categories. Mainly 2 of them. However, there are only a couple of words that would be an exception to that list of words, so you have that third option. But knowing those to watch out for, that isn't gonna be an issue once you know them. It's just 2, the others follow a particular pattern to figure out.

So with splitting the words in 2 main types, then the real work begins. This took me a while to figure it out until I saw a video where it then clicked for me. Once the logic of that was worked out, I can pretty much know how to conjugate any word without knowing what the word means. Basically, the clue is in the spelling of the word itself. Just give me the word, the tense, boom! It gets so easy, you'd forget there are words and they have meaning. That's how easy Japanese can be!

So, you can jump to any new grammar to learn, but do so if you're comfortable learning more. It only gets harder because of all the information to learn. If you learn that well after that, then it doesn't seem so hard anymore. Unless you forget things.

Might I suggest trying a typing style of quiz, rather than multiple-choice? You don't have to know the words, but autocorrect can usually spot what you're trying to type, which may help you spell it out while you choose the correct tense.

It might be a bit of a crutch, but if you pay attention, you can see the pattern. If you like, look it up in the dictionary too. Usually they'll have a list of the different forms, you'll be able to see that pattern. The dictionary would also tell you what type of word it is anyway in case you try it on your own.

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AnaKik
Level: 222
jcl007 (0212, 13:09)

An example is a multiple choice question to fill in the blank from a sentence. It might give me something like "かえります、かえらます、かえします、or かえます'”. If I don't know the root word, how can I know what that is? I think in this case, you need to know it.

​Ohhh, I see. Yeah, it seems frustrating. You technically could tap the button below to see the translation and then look up the verb in English to see its dictionary form, as a temporary solution. You could do that until you learn the word. Are you caught up with the vocabulary schedule? As people above said, it’s kinda better to study them simultaneously

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jcl007
Level: 63
ポールおじちゃん (0212, 11:02)

Michael has said elsewhere that he expects users to complete the vocabulary for a grammar block before they start the grammar block. That should help with some of the frustration.

The other thing you want to develop is a tolerance for not understanding everything. As a foreigner in another country, you are going to be lost most of the time. A critical survival skill is to extract the essential information from the cacophony that surrounds you.

"​It is expected (and mentioned when you first start a vocab/grammar pack) that you study ALL the new terms in a vocab lesson before moving onto the grammar"

After reading this, I think this is why I ran into issues with the verb section. The app showed me that there was a lesson available under grammar, but it did not tell me where I was in the vocabulary schedule. Now that I see there is a "Lessons in this schedule" section under the kebab menu, I can see that I started the "Basic verbs" section, but have not completed it. I probably missed this button in some video or something, but it would be nice to see an improvement that told the user they are ready for the grammar lesson when they finish the vocab section, rather than showing the grammar lesson right away.

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