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By A; by the time A
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   5   までに   して ください  
Let's get together 5 minutes before the departure.
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いつまで        
By when do you need it?
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   までに         
Come home by 6:30.
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これまでに      ない  
There have been no problems so far (until now).

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ANoun (time)
まで
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までに (by tomorrow)

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Can I use ~ぐらい here or is it not needed?

The construction examples are weird too, using ねこ and ごはん for time nouns.
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Yea - the construction examples used a fix set of words for all examples; I should probably remove those until there is a way for users to suggest words.

I am not positive, but I don't think it's commonly included since you are using this grammar structure to *specify* a time, when ぐらい/ごろ usually lends ambiguity to a time frame or amount.
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I'll remove ~ぐらい then. Thanks.
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What's the difference between までに and まで? Is there any grammar that can use one but not the other?

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までに is used with a time expression to mean 'by X'.

While まで can be used with a time expression (until X), it can also be used with a place (to X), a counter (up to X) or a verb (until doing X). It can also mean 'even X'. See: https://www.renshuu.org/grammar/115


If you're only asking about time expressions, the difference is the same as in English.

E.g. you can say: までここにする。 = I will stay here until Monday.

But not: までにここにする。 = I will stay here by(?) Monday.

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Another way to put it is this way:

Aまで <---------------->A

When used with a verb, the verb will continue until A. So if you までく, the walking continues until A (the park)

Aまでに

With this one, it changes depending on the action. If it is an action (and not a state like いる、する, etc.), then the verb will happen sometime before A. Think about "I have to do my homework by Tuesday". It is possible that you are doing your homework the entire time, but more likely, you just need that action to happen sometime before Tuesday. With まで, though, you are saying that the homework was done for the entire period of time (that's a lot of homework!)

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