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Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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外 国 語 を 勉 強 す る の は 難 し い も の だ 。 
It's hard to study a foreign language (of course!).
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六 本 木 で は 流 行 する ス タ イ ル が 多 い も の だ 。 
Roppongi has lots of fashion styles.
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一 度 無 く な っ て し ま っ た 自 然 は 、 簡 単 に 戻 る 物 で は な い 。 
If nature disappears, it's not something that'll easily return.
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明日 何 が 起 こ る か 分 か っ た 物 で は な い 。 
There is no telling what will happen tomorrow.
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その 秘 密 は いつまでも 隠 し て お け る も の で は な い 。 
That secret can't be kept forever.

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Aな-adjective な
 
Aい-adjective
 
AVerb: Dictionary Form
 
AVerb: ない form
 
AVerb: Casual, past (た)
 
 
ものだ/ではない
Basic Examples:
危険なものです (of course it's dangerous)

速い物ではない (it's obvious that it's not fast)

できるものです (I clearly can do it)

召し上がないものです (obviously can't eat)

勝った物ではない (it's clear they did not win)

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もの can be replaced by もん or ものじゃない in casual conversation.
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柚姫ちゃん
Level: 863
(5 years ago)
新完全マスターN2 states that it is not possible to use the た形 of verbs with this phrase when its meaning is something like "it's common sense that~" or "it's generally known that~".
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kibernavt
Level: 1
(5 years ago)
～V(past)た＋ものだ・
という過去の主観が夏貸し。　１度だけのことには使わない。

EXP.
１．子供の頃は、夏になるとこの川で泳いだものです。
２．祖父が生きていたころは、毎年お正月になると親戚が集まったものだ。
３．若いときははやくコンサートに行ったものだが、最近は行かなくなった。（note.　お年寄りになったとき。）
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Really A; truly A
Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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皆 で 食 事 す る っ て いい 物 よ ね 。 
It'll be really nice to have dinner together.
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家 族 で 温 泉 旅 行 っ て いい 物 だ よ ね 。 
It'll be truly great to take an onsen trip as a family.

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AVerb: Casual
 
Aい-adjective
 
Aな-adjective な
 
 
もの/もんだ
Basic Examples:
優しいもんだ (truly kind)

有名ものだ (really famous)

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Should A, it would be good to A
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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学 校 の 宿 題 は き ち ん と やる 物 だ 。 
You should do your homework properly.
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風邪を引 い た ら 早 く 休 む 物 だ よ 。 
If you catch a cold, you should rest soon (e.g. without waiting).

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AVerb: Casual
もの
だ
Basic Examples:
水を飲むものだ ((you) should drink water)

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Should not A, must not A
  1. Shows common/obvious knowledge A; Of course; A; it's known that A
    When ではない is used, it shows that it's obvious that A is not true.
  2. Really A; truly A
    Often used in presenting a reason, justification, or excuse.
  3. Should A, it would be good to A
  4. Should not A, must not A
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働 か な い で 遊 ん で ばかり いる もん じ ゃ な い よ 。 
You shouldn't just play and not work.
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夢 は 簡 単 に 諦 め る も の で は な い 。 
You mustn't given up easily on a dream.

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AVerb: Casual
もの
ではない
Basic Examples:
行くものじゃない (should not go)

食べるものではない (must not eat)

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mysticfive
Years Studied: since 2000
Studying: 自分のため、日本語教師だから
Level: 1268, 好 : 5,331
in the title, ものだ　and ものではない should be separated
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マイコー
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 Level: 209, 好 : 9,394
Weird that the slash wasn't showing up. Anyhow, fixed it!
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mireille
Years Studied: 3
Studying: JLPT N3 & JLPT 2級
Level: 1, 好 : 105
2e meaning: Noun + な + もの・もん (?)
な adjective + な + もの・もん

(?) = It's in my grammar book like that, but it's usually Noun + の + (grammar point), so I'm not sure if it's a typo or not.

Edit: a bit more info about the second meaning:
理由、言い訳、 自分を正当化するときの表現
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マイコー
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 Level: 209, 好 : 9,394
Sounds like a typo to me :). Fixed the な entry, though, and added the casual もん!
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Lang_learner
Years Studied: 2 years
Studying: Grammar and vocabulary
Level: 1, 好 : 61
I don't see nouns in the construction of either the 1st of the 2nd grammar points. So does that mean you can't use もの with nouns??
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マイコー
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 Level: 209, 好 : 9,394
Hmm..I cannot find the noun usage in the references I usually use - I will check one more when I have access to it later today.
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