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As for person/thing A, B (surprising/negative info); When it comes to A
Is sometimes used to emphasize the previous term A
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    ときたら     なんか    くれない   
When it comes to my own parents, they won't even give me a single yen of spending money.
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   ときたら            して くれない    
As for my older brother, he doesn't help at all around the house.
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あなた            まともに できない      
As for you, it's because you can't even make yourself decent! (e.g. could refer to physical appearance, lifestyle, etc.)

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きたら
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たら調べられてる (as for him, he's suspected in a murder investigation)

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Level: 4
My grammar book lists this grammar point as being more negative in connotation. Sure, surprising information can be negative, but that's not always the case!
According to my grammar book: ろのがくることがい。
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マイコー
Level: 291
Thanks, updated it!
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mysticfive
Level: 1953
it seems that the noun doesn't have to be a person - ex. っているときたら、らないものばかりだ。
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マイコー
Level: 291
Made the info more general!
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htatsuha
Level: 1147
While trying to find any info on the ときている grammar, I found some dictionary entries for る that include ときたら together with alternate grammar forms, and also list emphasis as one of its meanings/usages. I'm not quite sure what needs to be added to this page, but I've included some relevant excerpts below from the dictionaries I looked at; I hope they're helpful.

goo definition 6
(「…ときたら」「…ときては」「…とくると」などので)ある調してす。に…のは。…についてうと。「とくると、からっきしだめだ」「ときたら、がない」

definition 18
<「…とくると」「…ときては」「…ときたら」「…ときたにゃ」などので>らってこちらにるといったちで、としてとりたてる。
とくるとやはりモーツァルトだね」「ときたらくしょうがないなあ」
]「…ときたら」「…ときたにゃ」には、くあきれるちなどがこもる。また、

definition 9
[そのことを調する]
いものとたらがない。
She (just) can't control herself when it comes to sweets. | She has a real weakness for sweets.
あいつとたらでちっともをしない。
He's so 「crazy about [head and heels over] her that he's not getting any work done.
湿ている。
Not only are Japanese summers hot, they're extremely humid. | On top of all the heat, Japanese summers are (also) incredibly humid.
したばかりなんだ。そこへさんのだろ。まいってるよ。
His company has just gone bankrupt. Then on top of that comes his boy's traffic accident, right? Oh, he's really feeling depressed.
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マイコー
Level: 291

Hmm, it sounds to me like the definition could be extended to simply say "Can be used to emphasize the previous term" - I personally don't see a need to add more than that, but what do you think?

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htatsuha
Level: 1147

I think that's a good idea for the definition. But I'm kinda confused about the とくると and ときては forms. They don't appear in my grammar dictionaries with ときたら but they seem to be consistently grouped together with ときたら in vocab dictionaries. Do they have the same meaning/usage as ときたら, or is there some subtle difference?

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Jack Bosma
Level: 16

とくるとTo come....ときては.It has come and ときたらWhen it comes..... Similar meanings according to my searches.

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マイコー
Level: 291

Wondering if @mysticfive has any information on the topic.

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Level: 1

They're all forms of "When it comes to..." or "If it were to come to..."

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