Thanks, added them!

Thanks!

Should not have been on there, and has been taken off. Sorry about that!

Which sentence specifically are you referring to?

Thank you for catching that typo!

In Japanese you can never assume what someone else is thinking or feeling - using just たい does assume absolute knowledge, so it's considered innapropriate to use by itself when referring to another person.

[quote author=Lang_learner link=topic_id=4933&post_id=29258#rmsg_29258 date=1372118142]I was wondering. If you want to say that someone else wants to do blank, can't you just use the　たい form? Or is that only used when referring to yourself?[/quote] In informal speech it's quite common to use たい with your friend or significant other. For example: 何食べたい？ What do you wanna eat? While that may not be 100% grammatically correct everyone does it.

[quote author=fareastfurfaro link=topic_id=4933&post_id=29261#rmsg_29261 date=1372166729]In informal speech it's quite common to use たい with your friend or significant other. For example: 何食べたい？ What do you wanna eat? While that may not be 100% grammatically correct everyone does it.[/quote] Fareast - a note on that; while that is often used, that kind of phrase isn't used *in reference* to another person, and it's a question, so the assumption of knowledge isn't there - that's why that type of question works, it has nothing to do with formality (because you can also ask someone 何を食べたいんですか and that's also fine) ;)

sorry i found this dialogue with is from a text book in which explain the がる form. the dialogue is A: 田中、お帰りなさい。旅行どうだって? B: 楽しかったよ。ヒッチハイクもうまくいったし。こわがらないでやってみてよかった。 A: そうだね。 I don't understand why the B person is using the わがらないで referring to himself, it's not usually a grammar rule to use for other feelings? Thank you veru much for your help.

In third person, the がる suffix is used to deduce someone else's emotions from appearances. In the first person, it means a feeling for no valid reason, an emotion "over nothing".

About the second usage, by referring verbs which represent a state/condition (like 疲れる、混乱する、怒る, etc.), isn't it still possible to use it with verb? For instance, saying '怒りたがっている' doesn't always mean '(seems) want to angry' but means 'seems angry' instead. Then how about 疲れたがる, does it always means 'seems want to get tired'? I believe it's roughly depend on context, though. So how do you think?

I've never heard this grammar pattern used in this way; usually, if you want to say someone seems angry/tired etc, you hear things like 怒っているらしい、疲れているようです、混雑しているみたい。Not to say the above *can't* be used, just that if it can, it's probably a rarer usage... But especially since the ~たい form is in there for verbs, it would seem to lead one to believe that the condition is desired, like you said - one wants to become angry, one wants to be tired...

I would say the ～がり is most similar to usage 2, but I'm not sure if I'd put them together in the same thing.

with 強がる, it's not something that I've personally heard too often, but I would say that it would more have the pretending connotation - if you wanted to say someone seems strong, I'd go more with 強そう