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Those who are A; That which is A
Usually followed by something a person/thing (A) like that can('t)/should(n't) do
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リ ー ダ ー たる もの 、 常 に 冷 静 沈 着 で な け れ ば な ら な い 。 
Those who are leaders must always be calm and collected.
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上 司 たる もの は 部 下 の 把 握 に 努 め な け れ ば 成 ら な い 。 
A boss must endeavor to understand their subordinates.
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Construction
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ANoun
たる/ともあろう
者
Basic Examples:
大学院生ともあろうもの (Those who are university students)

親たる者 (those who are parents)

ANoun
たる/ともあろう
BNoun
Where this grammar is found


Grammar usage notes

The noun usually describes a certain social position.
Implies that the noun is highly evaluated by the speaker.
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恵理子
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できるだけ
Level: 28
You don't need to use 者 with たる; I've seen it followed by a variety of nouns, though they generally refer to a person. AたるB might be a more comprehensive format?
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14 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346
Ok - confirmed, and will adjust the data! Edit: left 者 and simply added a new usage, since 者 is very, very commonly used.
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14 years ago
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tensaimon
Level: 1
Are たる and ともあろう interchangeable? I've got two questions in my book where たる is the answer to one and ともあろう is the answer to the other. I showed a native speaker who said たる implies respect whereas ともあろう implies disrespect for someone in a high position (similar to まじき?): 1)オリンピック選手（たる）もの、国のためにベスト尽くすべきだ。 2)市長（ともあろう）立場のものが、居酒屋で泥酔するなんて情けない。
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12 years ago
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taxus
Level: 19

Can the kanji 物 also be used for people (as opposed to 者)? The construction section uses 者 but the examples (and some gammer study questions) use 物. Can the kanji 者 and 物 be used interchangeablly?
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4 years ago
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gdartfow
Level: 2380

Personally, I've mostly seen it written in hiragana only, as もの.

But 者 should be used for people and 物 should be used for things, such as:

死にたる者 - the deceased people

飢えたる者 - the hungry people

微々たる物 - insignificant thing

最たる物 - most extreme thing


To double check, I also tried searching for 上司たるもの in Google. "上司たる物" appears 7 times, while "上司たる者" appears 304 times.

So perhaps these sentences were written with もの and were just badly bound to renshuu's dictionary?

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4 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346

I was actually curious about this myself, but not having seen anything that describes it explicitly as using one or the other, I split it up depending on what it was referring to.

That being said, I have plans (not sure if it'll happen this year, but we'll see) to greatly improve the grammar linking within sentences, and it'll be much easier for it to bind words that normally have kanji, but hide the kanji depending on the grammar point being used.

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4 years ago


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