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If A is the case...
Followed by a statement which is different from expectations. Ex: A is a good thing, but bad results follow. A and B are the same verb/noun/adjective.
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I wasn't interested in a trip, but after going I had fun.
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            なかったら ない      なる  
I want some new electronics, but even if I don't get them, I'll make do.

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Construction
(Elements in parentheses are optional.)
AVerb: Casual, past (た) BVerb: Casual, past (た)
 
ANoun なら BNoun
 
Aな-adjective なら Bな-adjective
 
Aい-adjective -い かったら Bい-adjective
 
 
Basic Examples:
れたられた (Clear skies are good but...)

きれいならきれい (being pretty is nice, but...)

かったら (being cheap is good, but...)

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mysticfive
Level: 1573
this pattern doesn't need to be a positive statement followed by a negative - for example; 便せんがなかったらないで、コピーでもいません。 If there's no letter-writing paper available, photocopy paper will do.
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13 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 256
Good catch, I've updated the definition.
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13 years ago
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lilisin
Level: 1
The third example under the construction section has a typo. かったりいで (being cheap is good, but...) should be かったらいで (being cheap is good, but...)
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9 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 256

Great catch! Fixed.

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9 years ago
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れんこつばん
Level: 358

I don't know if this is the right place for this grammar construct, but マスター N1 groups ば~で with these patterns. As in:

がいいが、けれだろう。

The bigger the house, the better, but the bigger the house, the harder it is to clean.

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2 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 256

That might need to come under a separate grammar entry - I am actually about to start on quiz generation for a huge chunk of N1 expressions, so I'd like to hold off on additional entries until that gets finished :)

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2 years ago
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