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Even if A were the case
  1. Even if A were the case
  2. Even if I were to A (A is not possible or useless/not worth doing)
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料 金 を 払 い 忘 れ て し ま っ た の で 明日 コ ン サ ー ト に 行 っ た と し て も 入 れ ま せ ん 。 
Since I forgot to pay the (entrance) fee, even if I went to the concert tomorrow, I wouldn't be able to get in.
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たとえ その 演 技 が うまくいく と し て も 、 その 計 画 を 止 め る こと を 主 張 し ま す 。 
Even if the performance is good, I still say we drop the project.
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それ を 認 め る と し て も 、 私 は 君 に 同 意 できない 。 
Even if I admit that, I cannot agree with you.

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AVerb: Casual
 
Aい-adjective
 
Aな-adjective: (without な) だ
 
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としても
Basic Examples:
できるとしても (even if he could)

安いとしても (even if it were cheap)

暇だとしても (even if I were free)

神だとしても (Even if I were a God)

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たとえ~ても
もし~としても
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Grammar usage notes

としても is to "assume that " . It is similar to にしても、 but the difference is t ahat としても presents a hypothetical situation, while にしても is used to present a factual or a near factual situation.
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まことまじま
Level: 516
pretty much the opposite meaning of としたら
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デミフィ
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Even if I were to A (A is not possible or useless/not worth doing)
  1. Even if A were the case
  2. Even if I were to A (A is not possible or useless/not worth doing)
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東 京 に 行 く と し て も 君 と の 付 き 合 い が 変 わ る わけじゃない よ 。 
Even if we were to go to Tokyo, it's not like our relationship will change.
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人 手 が 足 り ず 、 休 も う と し て も 認 め て もらえなかった 。 
We were short on hands, and I wouldn't have received permission for a break (even if I had tried).

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AVerb: Volitional
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して
も
Basic Examples:
行こうとしても (even if I were to go)

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たとえ~ても
もし~としても
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aileen
Level: 1
Jim Breen's examples of the first construction, the one using the volitional a form, have persons other than "I" as the subject. Also, they don't imply that condition A is impossible, only that it's useless:

彼に賛成するように説得しようとしても無駄だ。
It is useless to try to persuade him to agree.
僕に金をせびろうとしても無駄だ。
It's no use asking me for money.

(http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/‾jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1Q%A4%C8%A4%B7%A4%C6%A4%E2_1_)

Jgram.org doesn't mention any construction formed using the volitional.
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16 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 291
Well, although Jgram doesn't have it, both example sentences you put up have the volitional. I'll update the definition, though, so the impossible/useless thing is shown.
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aileen
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Sorry - I don't mean to come off as saying Jgram is the be-all, end-all. It's just the second place I go when I can't find stuff on this (much sleeker, better organized, and more easily interactive) site. There, and Jim Breen.
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mireille
Level: 1
Update on the second meaning:

I-adjective + としても
Noun + だ + としても
Na-adjective + だ + としても

親が有名だとしても、本人に実力がなければ社会で認められないでしょう。
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15 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 291
いつも、ありがとうございます！
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15 years ago
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mireille
Level: 1
どう致しまして。
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15 years ago
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Lang_learner
Level: 1
What's the difference between these two meanings? They seem the same to me. Thanks in advance! :D
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12 years ago
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mysticfive
Level: 1953
Firstly, the second usage can only be used with the volitional verb, whereas the first is used with several different parts of speech. Secondly, the second usage is only for things that are impossible, whereas the thing in the first usage could happen. Some of the user sentences really show this well, especially the bottom two on the first usage - take a look at those.
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Lang_learner
Level: 1
Thanks for your help!
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Lang_learner
Level: 1
What's the difference between this grammar point and just ても/でも, as in "even if".
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11 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 291
I believe it is that this one is strictly used to suppose something that might not be the case (ie: talk about the future). でも can be used about the present, past, and future, although I have never heard this used to refer to something that's already happened.
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