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As a B (label), A (subject)
B describes how A is functioning/being used/being seen.
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チョコ    として               
To have had chocolate as a meal is seriously bad for your body.

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ANoun ~ BNoun
 
 
する/して/した
Basic Examples:
ヘアブラシマイクとして ((using) a brush as a microphone)

タオルケープする (use a towel as a cape)

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Grammar mod. Level: 1, : 503
The two constructions listed are the same on here. Also, you should add:

~を~として
~を~とした
~を~に(して)
~を~にする
~を~にした

They all seem to have the same meaning, at least according to the books I have. I wish there were some sentences on here though, I don't fully understand this one. Anyone else?
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13 years ago
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Level: 122, : 6,898
I doubt anyone else will see this message, but I've always debated with myself how to display something like the constructions you're showing.

Often, with more complex stuff that involves a verb like する is going to have a number of permutations simply because it's, well, a verb. I wonder if it's really a good idea to list all the permutations like that. Takes up a lot of screen space, makes it look more complicated than it necessarily is?

What do you think about it? I guess a possible alternative would be to list a single construction for とする, then put in parentheses or something (して/した). Or, could have an indented note just underneath the construction that says the する can be conjugated. Or..a '?' superscript after the する that popups a short explanation.
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13 years ago
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Grammar mod. Level: 1, : 503
I like the superscript or indented note idea personally because putting stuff in parenthesis might make it more confusing. For example, とおり(に) shows that に isn't always used, but if you add the various alternatives in there as you mentioned, I think it would make it more confusing for some people. No?
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13 years ago
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Level: 122, : 6,898
So, in this example, we'd take out one of the two constructions up there, replace it with に, then add a superscript. I just remembered that for most constructions there is a 'construction' example link below, so if we put another link it might not be good (it also wouldn't be as good because it wouldn't be positioned next to the actual verb that it refers to).

I've got a ton on my plate, but I'll try to add it on there soon.
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13 years ago
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Level: 122, : 6,898
Take a look at it, tell me what you think.
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13 years ago
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Grammar mod. Level: 1, : 503
Hm, I think that works, but I guess I don't really see a problem just putting them all on the main page. You don't come across this many variants that often, at least that I have seen so far. Also, my book shows the one reading as に(して). I do fully understand the pop-up though so I guess that's all that matters.
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