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Even if A; although A (is done)
Usually suggests that even if A is done, it's not enough/too late/something else can't be done.
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私 た ち が 話 し 合 っ た 所 で 何 も 解 決 為 な い わ 。 
Even if we discuss it, we're not going to reach any kind of resolution.
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沢 山 料 理 を 作 っ た 所 で 、 私 は 一人暮 ら し だ っ た 。 
Although I made a lot food, I was living by myself.
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Usually followed by a negative
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lou1sb
Level: 1
Often used with words like たとえ, いくら, or another question word at the beginning of the sentence. (Even if __, No matter how much __)
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Wallace
Level: 1
たところで can also mark the moment something happens. For example, in 「箒が浮いたところで、キキは振り返って、コキリさんにお別れを言いました。」, it means “Just as the broom lifted off the ground, Kiki looked back and said goodbye to Kokiri.” It’s not ‘even if’ or ‘although’ here.
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jm27937
Level: 1553
1。

機能:段階(終わり)

形:Vたところで____。

意味:____そこで終わった・・・

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機能:仮定(諦め)

形:(どんなに・いくら・たとえ・何~)Vた+ところで、____。

意味:もし____ても、無駄だ/いい結果にならないだろう。

(____ことは初めから分かっているから、____ない。)

※ 「(無駄だ/いい結果にならないから、)____ない」という場合は、「たとしても」で言い換えられる。
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猛眼
Level: 1647
行った → went / arrived at a point
ところ → place / point
で → at (that point)
Mnemonic.
「もう行った、そのところで、意味ない」
"Already went, but at that place… pointless"
Think of someone who arrived at a destination only to find it was completely useless.
頑張って山の頂上まで行った。そのところで何もなかった。
The grammar crystallizes that feeling — "even if you go/went that far, it won't change anything."

~たところで = "Even if I do/did X… it's useless/won't help"
Always carries a pessimistic or resigned nuance.
今さら謝ったところで、許してもらえない。
Even if I apologize now, I won't be forgiven.
急いだところで、間に合わない。
Even if I hurry, I won't make it.
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Rdelav
Level: 404

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lou1sb
Level: 1
How does adding いまさら to the beginning of the sentence change the meaning? I've found ところで listed as a 2級 grammar and いまさら~ところで listed as 1級
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17 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346
Neither of the 1kyuu grammar texts I have show いまさら as required (or even present in any of the example sentences).
The 2kyuu one has a meaning (I believe) closer to 'considering A, based on A'.
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17 years ago
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lou1sb
Level: 1
Yeah, the only mention I've found of it is on Jgram, which doesn't have any other version of this grammar.
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17 years ago
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mysticfive
Level: 2439
this doesn't always need to have the 'even if' - for example, 何回読んだところで意味は全く分からない (I can't understand it no matter how many times I read it)
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15 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346
Would you agree, then, with amending the definition to read
'Even if A, Although A (is done)'
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15 years ago
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mysticfive
Level: 2439
that works, I think
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15 years ago
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シェーリー
Level: 1
I am still not clear about this grammar pattern. My teacher (Native Japanese) explained its use as ーたら. eg sentence that she gave is: 新しいワープロを使ってみたところ、とても使いやすかった。
(あることをしたら、その結果がどうなったかを表す表現)
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15 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 346
That's a different grammar pattern (no で following the ところ) :)
The one you're referring to is a time relation marker, it basically means 'right after [A], [B]' - used to show a following action, or a discovery of info brought about by [A].
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15 years ago
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シェーリー
Level: 1
Ah, I understand. Thank you :)
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15 years ago


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