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For A; even though A; considering A
The statement which follows this is a change/unexpected considering what is normal for A
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８ 月 にしては とても 過 ご し や す い ね 。 
Passing the time (e.g. in this weather, etc.) is really easy, considering it's August.
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今日 は 平 日 にしては 市 場 が 賑 わ っ て い る ね 。 
The market is really crowded today, considering that it's a weekday.
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あの 子 にしては ここ まで よく やりました 。 
For that child, they did quite well up until this point.
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メキシコ にしては 涼 し く て 過 ご し や す い ね 。 
Given that it's Mexico, it's cool and easy to pass the time.
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君 は 素人 にしては 筋 が いい ぞ 。 
You’ve got skills for an amateur.

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Construction
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ANoun
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しては
AVerb: Casual
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しては
Aな-adjective
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しては
にしては vs. にしても
While these two expressions share the same usage patterns and have similar meanings, the unexpected result that follows them differs.

For にしては, AにしてはB shows a result B that is often the opposite that you would expect of A.
Ex. アメリカ人にしては中国語が上手です。
Normally, you would expect an American to be bad at Chinese, so being good is the opposite of that expectation.

For にしても, AにしてもB shows a result B that is even more than what you would expect of B.
Ex. 素人にしても、この料理はまずい。(Even for an amateur, this food is disgusting).
While you would not expect an amateur cooker to have great food, this shows that the subject of the sentence had even worse cooking than you'd expect for someone of their level.
Where this grammar is found
Nihongo So-Matome N3 (日本語総まとめ）: 第３週　2日目
Nihongo So-Matome N1 (日本語総まとめ): 第４週　２日目
新完全マスター文法 N2: 19課・～を見て評価すると・～の立場で評価すると
JLPT N3 / Intermediate: Noun Suffixes ③
JLPT N2 / Advanced: Noun Suffixes - に ③


User notes
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A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar states twice (in the Basic and the Advanced part), that there is no usage of にしては with i-adjectives. Furthermore 新完全マスターN2 uses only examples without i-adjectives, but Internet research brings up examples with i-adjectives (like here), but also a lot which explicitly forbid this kind of usage.
4 years ago
avatar 柚姫ちゃん - Level 641
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に is not the only particle that can be used with the しては form. You can also use と with Nouns.
5 years ago
avatar shirokitsune - Level 784

Discussion about this grammar
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ali_chan
Years Studied: 3
Studying: JLPT N3
Level: 1, 好 : 21
[font=trebuchet ms]Is there any difference between にしても　and にしては? It seems like people are using them interchangeably, but I don't want to get caught out if it turns out that there are some situations where you have to use one and not the other :-\[/font]
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9 years ago
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nihonnub
Level: 71, 好 : 120
You may want to hold out for Mysticfive or someone similarly informed to reply, but when I checked around I saw that there is a page that exists with both grammar structures included together. Here it is: [url]http://www.renshuu.org/index.php?page=grammar/individual&id=260[/url]
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9 years ago (Edited 9 years ago.)
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できるだけ
Years Studied: Never enough!
Studying: 漢字
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Yeah, the nuance is different. にしては is essentially "for (an) X" or "given than X is true." (Examples with English translations [url=http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%AF]here[/url] from Weblio, my favorite source for grammar clarifications.) X is a category in which the thing being discussed is an outlying example. にしても is more like "in spite of X" - you're qualifying the statement X with further detail. More examples [url=http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82]here[/url]. If you're familiar with how ～ても works with normal verbs, this is essentially just an extension of that construction.
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9 years ago (Edited 9 years ago.)
まさむね123
Years Studied: Since Nov 2018
Studying: JLPT N3
Level: 1, 好 : 17
is there a difference between this entry and https://www.renshuu.org/gramma...
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3 years ago
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マイコー
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Appears to be the same. Not only that, but there are separate grammar questions for each one! I'll leave them separate for now because combining them will unfortunately make a mess of the grammar lessons they are part of.

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3 years ago
まさむね123
Years Studied: Since Nov 2018
Studying: JLPT N3
Level: 1, 好 : 17
マイコー は 12月 8日, 6:54に
Appears to be the same. Not only that, but there are separate grammar questions for each one! I'll leave them separate for now because combining them will unfortunately make a mess of the grammar lessons they are part of.

と言いました。
thanks!, i'll be dropping these links in case someone else has the same question for the constructions.
http://maggiesensei.com/2016/0...
site that adds 形容詞
https://nihongonosensei.net/?p...
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3 years ago (Edited 3 years ago.)
jamtape
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I've checked with a Japanese friend of mine and this is what she said about the differences between 「にしても」and「にしては」. Thought it might be interesting and add may add some more context. I'll also drop this post on the entry for 「にしても」.

"A にしては、Xです。”, X is different from the expectation (typically the opposite of the expectation)

"A にしても、 Xです。", X is higher than expected (typically, the opposite of the expectation). There is a difference that it is used for (more than expected), although it does not contradict the expectation.

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1 year ago



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