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Give B to A (A is you, your friends, your family, etc.)
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The principal gave me a souvenir.
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Ms. Yamada gave me a flower.

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ANoun (receiver)
BNoun (object)
くださる
Basic Examples:
さいました ((he) gave me a souvenier)

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This is the polite form of ~くれる.
11 years ago
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the first model sentence is more appropriate for てさる
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11 years ago
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Good point, moved it over!
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11 years ago
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One of the sentence presented with this grammar point is:

はおさいました。
The principal gave me a souvenir.

if the sentence was:
をくださいました, then A and B's would match perfectly in the same order they appear in the sentence ( being A and お being B), but if you now take the sentence:
におさいました。
then I think that the "Give B to A" explanation gets easily confusing, because applying the letters in order you get being A and being B, big mess x_x
I think unless the A's B's and C's are actually colored in every example sentence, this is not the most effective way to communicate the grammar ^_^'

Although I'm not suggesting to throw away the
A's and B's, in fact it is a very useful model when used in conjunction with the construction scheme, but I don't think that should be how a grammar point is viewed all the time, for example during the SRS there isn't even the possibility to see the construction scheme, which I think is positive because that is extra "in depth detail" one wants to reference only when writing a sentence themselves.

But during the SRS itself I think it would be more valuable just having a "simple handle" that explains the point in english without requiring the user to double-check with a construction scheme.
For example I would suggest presenting this as:
"Someone gives something to the speaker or the speaker's in-group (friends, family etc...)",
I don't know if this "handle" applies in every situation, but it should give an idea of what I mean

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1 month ago (Edited 1 month ago.)
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I appreciate the comments, and I see where you are coming from. I, however, do not see a way to make a change at this point in time without a major shift in structure.

Most grammar references, if they don't do this, have even less data: the DOBJ series just use ...

While it is not ideal, it's going to have to work. I don't think adding a handle would work for a few reasons: first (this is not a permanent reason) - you'd immediately lose all the foreign translations made on these grammar meanings because they'd have to start from zero. second - renshuu still does use those usage patterns with the A/B/C, and you'd have to then show the A/B/C meaning afterwards, else you'd lose the benefit of having those.

That being said, only a small set of the expressions in renshuu have ABC - most have just A, some AB.

While 2021 was largely focused on new features, 2022 is going to be more focused on improving what we already have in renshuu, so I am interested in looking into improvements to the data structure within renshuu (especially with grammar). It's a bit early to dive into that yet, though.

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29 days ago
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I see :)
Well, if that's the case then I'll refrain from further suggestions involving replacing A/B/C explanations with fully english explanations, and only get back to it when/if I see a shift in that direction :)

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28 days ago (Edited 28 days ago.)



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