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Until A; up to A; as far as A

  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
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二十歳 に なる まで サンタクロース を 信 じ て い た 。 
I believed in Santa Claus until I was 20 years old.
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愛 し て る ので 、 死 ぬ まで 側 に いさせて 。 
Because I love you, please let me be with you until I die.
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ビッグ バード が 着 く まで 数 を 数 え よ う ！ 
Let's count numbers until Big Bird arrives!
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水 が 腰 まで 来 た 。 
The water came up to my waist.
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パリ まで 遠 く な い 。 
It is not far to Paris.
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３０ まで 数 え な さ い 。 
Count up to thirty.
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彼 と 別 れ る まで 、 笑 い 続 け ま す 。 
Until I break up with him, I will continue to smile.
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暗 く なった から 、 駅 まで 送 っ て やる よ 。 
Since it's become dark, I'll take you to the station.

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ANoun (number/counter)
 
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まで
Basic Examples:
5時まで (until 5 o'clock)

５回まで (up to 5 times)

帰るまで (until returning)

Notes
Shows A as some kind of limit.
Where this grammar is found
Genki II (2nd Edition): Chapter 23
Nihongo So-Matome N3 (日本語総まとめ）: 第５週　４日目
Nihongo So-Matome N4 (日本語総まとめ): 第１週　３日目
新完全マスター文法 N4: 第１部　２課
新完全マスター文法 N2: 21課・強く言う・軽く言う
JLPT N4 / Intermediate: Noun suffixes ①


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Even A
Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.

  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
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彼 は スポーツ まで 得 意 な んです 。 
He's even good at sports.
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母 は 友 達 の 夕 食 まで 作 っ て くれた 。 
Mom even made dinner for my friends.

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ANoun
まで
Basic Examples:
皿まで食べた (even ate the plate)

Where this grammar is found
Nihongo So-Matome N3 (日本語総まとめ）: 第５週　４日目
新完全マスター文法 N3: A いろいろな働きおする助詞
JLPT N3 / Intermediate: Noun Suffixes ④


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Discussion about this grammar
dontpokebadgers
Level: 1, 好 : 15
In the first model sentence, it says 20さい when I read somewhere Japanese people only use はたち for 20 years old. Sorry if I'm lying...
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13 years ago
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マイコー
Site admin
 Level: 105, 好 : 6,478
Technically it could be either, but the more common is はたち. I'll update it, thanks!
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13 years ago
dontpokebadgers
Level: 1, 好 : 15
...do you have any idea why? I know this language is full of daft exceptions, I asked my Japanese friend why juyoka and nijuyoka are used instead of nichi - had no idea!
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13 years ago
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マイコー
Site admin
 Level: 105, 好 : 6,478
That's strange. It's just that it's old Japanese words that have been carried down through the generations, and didn't change when other words changed/were standardized.
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13 years ago
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mysticfive
Years Studied: since 2000
Studying: 自分のため、日本語教師だから
Level: 872, 好 : 4,945
on 十四日etc, if you think about it using '‾yonichi' or '‾shinichi' it just doesn't sound right - also, considering that numerically they would be using 'shi' and it also has that connotation of 'death,' well I can understand why they wouldn't want to use '‾shinichi'!
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12 years ago
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Geckomayhem
Years Studied: 7
Studying: JLPT N3
Level: 1, 好 : 192
20 years old being はたち actually helps me to remember that the 20th of the month is はつか rather than にじゅうにち; and vice versa. Funny that ついたち is the 1st, though, and nothing to do with age. >.
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11 years ago
guest
まで also has a usage that translates into English as [even]:

お前まで英雄様の見方だよ？ - Even you are on the hero's side?

At first I thought this could substitute for the [even] meaning of でも, but now I'm thinking that there is a slight difference in the two.

でも is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Indeed; moreover. Used as an intensive: {Even a child knows better.}"

まで is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Used as an intensive to indicate something that is unexpected: {She declined even to consider the idea.}"
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10 years ago
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マイコー
Site admin
 Level: 105, 好 : 6,478
Confirmed and added. I will get some usage examples up soon!
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10 years ago



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