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Until A; up to A; as far as A

  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
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  なる まで サンタクロース        
I believed in Santa Claus until I was 20 years old.
14
    ので    まで   いさせて  
Because I love you, please let me be with you until I die.
8
ビッグ バード    まで        
Let's count numbers until Big Bird arrives!
15
   まで    
The water came up to my waist.
11
パリ まで      
It is not far to Paris.
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30 まで       
Count up to thirty.
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     まで         
Until I break up with him, I will continue to smile.
9
  なった から   まで    やる   
Since it's become dark, I'll take you to the station.

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まで
Basic Examples:
5まで (until 5 o'clock)

まで (up to 5 times)

まで (until returning)

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Shows A as some kind of limit.
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Even A
Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.

  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
4
  スポーツ まで    んです  
He's even good at sports.
3
       まで    くれた  
Mom even made dinner for my friends.

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まで
Basic Examples:
までべた (even ate the plate)

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Discussion about this grammar
Level: 1, : 15
In the first model sentence, it says 20さい when I read somewhere Japanese people only use はたち for 20 years old. Sorry if I'm lying...
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13 years ago
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Level: 105, : 6,478
Technically it could be either, but the more common is はたち. I'll update it, thanks!
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13 years ago
Level: 1, : 15
...do you have any idea why? I know this language is full of daft exceptions, I asked my Japanese friend why juyoka and nijuyoka are used instead of nichi - had no idea!
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13 years ago
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That's strange. It's just that it's old Japanese words that have been carried down through the generations, and didn't change when other words changed/were standardized.
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13 years ago
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Years Studied: since 2000
Studying: のため、だから
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on etc, if you think about it using '‾yonichi' or '‾shinichi' it just doesn't sound right - also, considering that numerically they would be using 'shi' and it also has that connotation of 'death,' well I can understand why they wouldn't want to use '‾shinichi'!
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12 years ago
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Years Studied: 7
Studying: JLPT N3
Level: 1, : 192
20 years old being はたち actually helps me to remember that the 20th of the month is はつか rather than にじゅうにち; and vice versa. Funny that ついたち is the 1st, though, and nothing to do with age. >.
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11 years ago
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まで also has a usage that translates into English as [even]:

までだよ? - Even you are on the hero's side?

At first I thought this could substitute for the [even] meaning of でも, but now I'm thinking that there is a slight difference in the two.

でも is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Indeed; moreover. Used as an intensive: {Even a child knows better.}"

まで is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Used as an intensive to indicate something that is unexpected: {She declined even to consider the idea.}"
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10 years ago
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Confirmed and added. I will get some usage examples up soon!
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10 years ago



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