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Until A; up to A; as far as A
  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
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20                   
I believed in Santa Claus until I was 20 years old.
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35
                 
Because I love you, please let me be with you until I die.
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16
                 
Let's count numbers until Big Bird arrives!
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37
       
The water came up to my waist.
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20
       
It is not far to Paris.
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31
30        
Count up to thirty.
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19
              
Until I break up with him, I will continue to smile.
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Since it's become dark, I'll take you to the station.
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13
宿                
You can't play until you finish your homework.
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12
            
My son can count up to a hundred now.
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11
              
This road extends to the coast.
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17
         
Until then.
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10
                 
The game was put off until next Sunday.
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6
              
Let's run to the bus stop.
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16
            
I'll show you to the station.
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5
            
Let's drive as far as the sea.
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9
            
I will go with you as far as the bridge.
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8
             
The park was expanded down to the river.
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18
           
My sister's hair reaches to her shoulder.
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5
          
The game was put off till next week.
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10
                    
Can you give me directions to the subway station?
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4
          
They advanced to the river.
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8
      10        
Close your eyes, and count to ten.
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4
 便              
Would you mind giving me a ride to the post office?
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2
             
This road continues until the station.
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13
                   
Thanks for taking me to my house yesterday. It really helped.
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73
     
I walk to the station.
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まで
Basic Examples:
5 (until 5 o'clock)

(up to 5 times)

(until returning)

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Shows A as some kind of limit.
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Even A
Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
  1. Until A; up to A; as far as A
  2. Even A
    Shows an extent/range outside of what is considered normal.
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He's even good at sports.
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11
               
Mom even made dinner for my friends.
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まで
Basic Examples:
べた (even ate the plate)

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dontpokebadgers
Level: 1
In the first model sentence, it says 20さい when I read somewhere Japanese people only use はたち for 20 years old. Sorry if I'm lying...
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16 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 300
Technically it could be either, but the more common is はたち. I'll update it, thanks!
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16 years ago
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dontpokebadgers
Level: 1
...do you have any idea why? I know this language is full of daft exceptions, I asked my Japanese friend why juyoka and nijuyoka are used instead of nichi - had no idea!
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16 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 300
That's strange. It's just that it's old Japanese words that have been carried down through the generations, and didn't change when other words changed/were standardized.
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mysticfive
Level: 2004
on etc, if you think about it using '‾yonichi' or '‾shinichi' it just doesn't sound right - also, considering that numerically they would be using 'shi' and it also has that connotation of 'death,' well I can understand why they wouldn't want to use '‾shinichi'!
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15 years ago
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Geckomayhem
Level: 1
20 years old being はたち actually helps me to remember that the 20th of the month is はつか rather than にじゅうにち; and vice versa. Funny that ついたち is the 1st, though, and nothing to do with age. >.
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14 years ago
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まで also has a usage that translates into English as [even]:

までだよ? - Even you are on the hero's side?

At first I thought this could substitute for the [even] meaning of でも, but now I'm thinking that there is a slight difference in the two.

でも is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Indeed; moreover. Used as an intensive: {Even a child knows better.}"

まで is used in situations calling for this definition of [even]:

"Used as an intensive to indicate something that is unexpected: {She declined even to consider the idea.}"
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13 years ago
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マイコー
Level: 300
Confirmed and added. I will get some usage examples up soon!
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13 years ago
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