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If A
  1. If A
  2. When A; after A (then B)
    Shows a sequence of events that are tied together in after one occurs, the next one follows.
  3. When A, then B
    A and B have a cause/effect relationship.
  4. How about A; why don't you A
暇ひまだ っ た ら 、 ちょっと 手て伝つだっ て くれない ？ 
If you're free, couldn't you help me a bit?
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私 だ っ た ら 、 ご 飯 だけ おごって もらって 、 後 は さ っ さ と 帰 る よ 。 
If it was me, I would accept just the meal then hurry on home afterwards.
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寝 不 足 な ん だ っ た ら 、 ちょっと 仮 眠 してきなさい 。 
If you're short on sleep, please take a short nap.

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AVerb: Casual, past (た)
ら
Basic Examples:
勉強したら (if (I) studied)

Aい-adjective: た form
ら
Basic Examples:
低かったら (if it's low)

ANoun
だった
ら
Basic Examples:
あなただったら (if (I) were you)

Aな-adjective: (without な)
だった
ら
Basic Examples:
静かだったら (if it's quiet)

Notes
While A uses a past tense form, it is referring to a supposition about an event that hasn't yet occurred. The phrase following it is always in the present tense.
Related Expressions
なら
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When A; after A (then B)
Shows a sequence of events that are tied together in after one occurs, the next one follows.
  1. If A
  2. When A; after A (then B)
    Shows a sequence of events that are tied together in after one occurs, the next one follows.
  3. When A, then B
    A and B have a cause/effect relationship.
  4. How about A; why don't you A
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家 に 着 い た ら 君 に 電 話 する よ 。 
I will give you a call after I get home.
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入 っ た ら ド ア を 閉 め よ 。 
Shut the door after you come in.
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よく 眠 っ た ら 、 あとで 大 分 気 分 が よく なる 。 
After you have a good sleep, you'll feel a lot better.

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AVerb: Casual, past (た)
ら
BVerb (non past)
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と
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When A, then B
A and B have a cause/effect relationship.
  1. If A
  2. When A; after A (then B)
    Shows a sequence of events that are tied together in after one occurs, the next one follows.
  3. When A, then B
    A and B have a cause/effect relationship.
  4. How about A; why don't you A
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シ ャ ワ ー を 浴 び た ら 、 気 分 が す っ き り した 。 
I felt refreshed after showering.
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あの ビ ル が 建 っ た ら 、 我 が 家 に は 日 が 差 さ な く なってしまう 。 
After that building is built, the sun will no longer shine on our house.
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春 に なったら 、 皆 で お 花 見 を しよう ！ 
When spring comes let's all go see the cherry blossoms!

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AVerb: Casual, past (た)
ら
BVerb (past)
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たら
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How about A; why don't you A
  1. If A
  2. When A; after A (then B)
    Shows a sequence of events that are tied together in after one occurs, the next one follows.
  3. When A, then B
    A and B have a cause/effect relationship.
  4. How about A; why don't you A
紅こう葉ようを 見みに 行いっ た ら ど う で す か ？ 
How about going to see the fall colors?
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も う 帰 っ た ら どう で す か 。 
You may as well go home now.
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ダ イ エ ッ ト したら どう だ 。 
Why don't you go on a diet?
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その 仕 事 に 応 募 したら どう だ い 。 
Why don't you apply for that job?
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ご 自 分 で 作 っ て み た ら どう で す か 。 
Why don't you make it yourself?
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あの 白 ワ イ ン を 少 し 試 し て み た ら どう ？ 
Why not try some of that white wine?

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AVerb: Casual, past (た)
ら
Notes
This is used to give a suggestion, A, to whomever the sentence is directed at.
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Grammar usage notes

This sentence is usually followed by どうですか or the more polite いかがですか. In casual speech, it can be dropped completely.

Example:

薬を飲んだらどうですか。(polite)
薬を飲んだら？ (casual)
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looh
Level: 19
On meaning 1, I think the top one is supposed to say "[Adjective: た form] A + ら" but it doesn't. What I see is: "[] A + ら". When I click to see examples, I see adjectives.
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マイコー
Level: 292
Fixed, thanks!
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solostyle
Level: 13
1. The third basic usage type When A, after A, then B--says the second clause is in non past form. But the third example sentence has the second clause in past form.

2. Another note: What about the meaning where, When A happened, surprisingly B happened. Like: 家に帰ったら、田中さんが着ていました。When I came home, Mr. Tanaka was there (unexpectedly). I mention this usage, but I also have a few questions about it: How often is this type of ‾ たらused in reality? And how can you tell if someone means this unexpected event as opposed to two events that occurred in succession in the past? I would love some light shed on this topic.

3. One more way to use ~たらis to refer to improbable things happening. Like もし有名人になったら、V-non past. If I become famous, I'll do V. Similarly, you can say しっぱいだったら、良い成績を上げなかった。If I had made a blunder, I wouldn't have gotten a good grade, implying that I did get a good grade.
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マイコー
Level: 292
1. Fixed to non-past, thanks.

2. I'll ask about this if I get a chance!

3. Do you think this is (the 'improbable' bit) actually a different meaning, a more an extension of the 'if/then' formation? I'll have to ask a friend, but I'm guessing that you could probably use it to represent something that is probable as well. I'm looking at the entry in the Basic Grammar Dictionary (the big, huge grammar dictionaries you can find just about everywhere), and it makes no reference to this 'usage'.

So, I feel like this is more just an example of how an if/then or action1->action2 structure can be extended. What do you think?
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solostyle
Level: 13
3. そうですね… Okay, I think I agree with you now that these "usages" are really just extensions of the same usage. We have model sentences to show how different situations/ideas can be conveyed. Thanks!

Edit:
I was just looking over my old notes and found something. The past tense usage of ‾たら always means a surprise situation. Is this really true? 例えば、
Verb A-tara + Verb B-ta (past tense) = surprise situation!
家に帰ったら、友達と一緒に映画を見に行った。X
You can't say this because it couldn't have been a surprise situation. Do you see what I mean? I have this rule in my notes distinctly.. Can anyone confirm this?
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darkje
Level: 1
な-adjective: た form+ら

Is this not supposed to be な-adjective+ だった +ら?
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マイコー
Level: 292
Technically, it was correct (た means past, casual form, so だった), but I agree that it could be cleared, so I've switched it up. Thanks!!
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kawaii_inu
Level: 1
Sorry for bothering again, but what's the difference between the 3rd and 4th usage? And something else, is なら and たら the same? What's the difference?
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マイコー
Level: 292
One is a series of events that may or may not be cause-effect related, while one shows a cause-effect relationship.

As to なら/たら, I'll have to leave someone else to answering that - I have a very fuzzy understanding of it from soaking it up from those around me - someone that knows it on a more technical side will be better at explaining it.
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くるるぎくん
Level: 1
could you possibly use this version of the "if" when saying something along the lines of

If i did it, i didnt meant to? in that sense of well if it happened blah blah blah
もしやったら、つもりじゃなかったよ
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Hzin
Level: 1
Vましたらというのは"if"のことだ。 英語が上手ではない。だから説明方が分からない。
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gdartfow
Level: 1863
The third sentence of the first usage uses なら instead of たら .
Also, the adjective construction examples say  たり instead.
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マイコー
Level: 292
Fixed both issues!
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Karlla
Level: 892

Can someone explain to me the difference between #2 and #3, please? They look quite the same to me.

Btw... "This is used to given a suggestion, A, to whomever the sentence is directed at. " should be "give" instead of "given" (notes #4)

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マイコー
Level: 292

Cleaned up the meanings a bit, moved relevant info up from the notes into the secondary meaning.

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Karlla
Level: 892

I have just watched this lesson on youtube. Though the explanation is not perfectly clear to me, there doesn't necessarily seem to be a cause/effect relationship in the "tara + past tense" construction.
For some reason I have been totally oblivious to the fact the #3 uses past tense. Now I wonder where I should put the example sentence I had originally written under #3, for it uses present tense. (御金を借りたら返すのが当然だ。) Is it closer to #1 or #2?

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gdartfow
Level: 1863

たら can be translated as 'when' (meaning #2) if the condition before it represents a certainty. For instance:

大人になったら = when you grow up (you surely will at some point)

私が知っていたら = if I had known (but I didn't)

先生が来たら = when/if the teacher comes (based on context, e.g. at the start of class 'when', misbehaving in the schoolyard 'if').

Words like もし can help in case of such ambiguity (もし is always 'if').

So, it depends on your intent, but I would probably put your sentence under #1.

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